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  • What If Franco's Spain Had Entered the War?

    As late as December 1942, Franco believed that Germany might offer territorial concessions and Spain would join the war on the side of the Axis Powers.


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    If Franco had joined the Axis, Hitler could possibly have gained control of the Straits of Gibraltar. If this had happened, he would have turned the Mediterranean into an Axis lake. The only way to resupply the British forces in North Africa would have been the long trip around the Horn of Africa. Without sufficient supplies, even the Italian Army had a chance to beat them. With their southern flank secure, the Germans could have begun their campaign in the East earlier in 1941 and possibly reached Moscow before "General Winter" dashed their hopes for an easy victory. If they had taken the city and negotiated a settlement with Stalin, they could then have turned all their strength back to the West and built a truly impregnable "Atlantic Wall".
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    • #3
      It would have increased the coastal areas to be defended against Allied invasion and Portugal might not have necessarily remained neutral given the Axis reputation towards it's neighbors.

      The Wehrmacht was already stretched pretty thin by late 42' and having to aid Spain would have just made that situation worse.
      If you can't set a good example, be a glaring warning.

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      • #4
        I don't think Spain had much to contribute to the Axis effort anyways since they were still recovering from the Civil War.
        "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on one's laurels, is defeat."
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Freightshaker View Post
          It would have increased the coastal areas to be defended against Allied invasion and Portugal might not have necessarily remained neutral given the Axis reputation towards it's neighbors.

          The Wehrmacht was already stretched pretty thin by late 42' and having to aid Spain would have just made that situation worse.
          That is the way I would have looked at it. Would history have repeated itself with one army fought a losing battle in Spain while the rest of the armies were bled white in Russia?

          Interesting to think about and I have to agree with the write up that a Spanish to entry the war would only have ended in complete disaster for Spain.
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          • #6
            I agree that by late 1942 it would have been a mistake for Franco to have joined Hitler. But, if he had done so in 1941 when the Germans were at their victorious peak, the situation might have looked a little different to him. Germany wasn't yet facing defeat in the East, as would be the case in 1942 and in 1941 Britain wasn't in any shape to mount a major invasion anywhere on Continental Europe.
            If there are no dogs in Heaven, then I want to go where they went when they died-Will Rogers

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            • #7
              This just in -- Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

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              • #8
                Amen to Freighshaker and Pidsulski. In a way, Franco did enter the war, sending the 'Division Azul' to Germany for service on the Russian Front, and jailing every Frenchman they caught trying to get to either England or Morocco (to rejoin the fight). Spanish Fascism was not an clone of German Fascism. Spain had nothing to gain running the risk.
                dit: Lirelou

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                • #9
                  Neutral ? The Portugese would've sided with the Allies and Franco would've had an enemy army on his doorstep and his political enemies fighting to depose him from within.

                  It'd be a second Peninsular War, with Franco playing Joseph Bonaparte, and a similar outcome.
                  Indyref2 - still, "Yes."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lirelou View Post
                    Amen to Freighshaker and Pidsulski. In a way, Franco did enter the war, sending the 'Division Azul' to Germany for service on the Russian Front, and jailing every Frenchman they caught trying to get to either England or Morocco (to rejoin the fight). Spanish Fascism was not an clone of German Fascism. Spain had nothing to gain running the risk.
                    I wonder (though I have my suspicions) what would have happened if officially neutral Spain was in the path of the advancing Red Army in 1944-45. Would it have been rolled over like neutral Bulgaria? (Although Bulgaria was at war with the Western Allies, it refused to join the Axis invasion of the Soviet Union and remained neutral vis a vis its neighbor on the Black Sea - that didn't save it when the Soviets liberated the Balkans).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by the ace View Post
                      Neutral ? The Portugese would've sided with the Allies and Franco would've had an enemy army on his doorstep and his political enemies fighting to depose him from within.

                      It'd be a second Peninsular War, with Franco playing Joseph Bonaparte, and a similar outcome.

                      disagree because

                      Dr. Antonio de Oliveira Salazar ruled Portugal as a dictator with Fascist trappings. He maintained a neutral policy, but there were strong pro-Axis support in the country. Portugal also had a histoically special relationship with Britain that even preceeded the Napoleonic Wars. Salazar's adoption of Fascist policies (political dictatorship, police state rule, bans on trade unions, strident anti-Communism, and corporatist social and economic policies) gave his regime a Fasist aura. He supported Franco in the Spanish Civil War. As a result his regime was approved as sufficently Fascist by Hitler and Mussolini. Portugal was of some importance to Germany in World War II. Portugal was the principal source of Wolfram ore which yielded tungsten. This was a critical material because tungsten-hardened steel alloys had many military applications in machine tools, armor plate, armor-piercing projectiles, and other uses. The Germans pioneered the use of tungsten. As a result of these and other NAZI purchases, the Salazar regime benefited from the War. Salazar insisted on payments in gold. Here accounts vary as to the extent to which the regime profited from the War. NAZI inteligence agents were active in Portugal as were British agents. Portugal's role is complex. Salazar also cooprated with the Allies, especially as the German military situation shifted. Salazar leased the British important bases in the Azores for naval campaign in the Atlantic. Of course given Anglo-American naval power, he had no real choice. He also permitted Jewish and other refugees to escape the NAZIs by both boat and air.
                      http://histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/cou/por/ww2-por.html
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