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  • Brigadier General Charles Yeager

    Does anyone remember this name? I doubt it. But yet y'all should. He was the first pilot to break the sound barrier. He was also an ace in WW2. He finished the war with 17 1/2 kills. I am currently reading his autobiography which is a very good read and recommend it to others.
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    In "The Right Stuff" he is listed as being THE reason behind all pilots developing a southern drawl when things get tense in the cockpit.

    A great American, to say the least.

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    • #3
      Re: Brigadier General Charles Yeager

      Originally posted by jdscott7280
      Does anyone remember this name? I doubt it. But yet y'all should. He was the first pilot to break the sound barrier. He was also an ace in WW2. He finished the war with 17 1/2 kills. I am currently reading his autobiography which is a very good read and recommend it to others.
      Of course I do!! You can't be in the Air Force without hearing of his exploits. I've seen a couple of TV interviews, and he seemed quite a down-to-earth guy. While acknowledging to importance of the many X-plane projects, he downplayed the significance of his involvement. A humble fighter jock - what a concept.
      Mens Est Clavis Victoriae
      (The Mind Is The Key To Victory)

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      • #4
        Yeager was just a stunt devil. My favorite ace is Francis Gabreski, Pappy Boyinton, and Richard Bong.

        Yeager did alot to help the space program but he shot down a few fighters in WWII.:crazy:
        VonMoltke

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        • #5
          Originally posted by FelixAlicea
          Yeager was just a stunt devil. My favorite ace is Francis Gabreski, Pappy Boyinton, and Richard Bong.

          Yeager did alot to help the space program but he shot down a few fighters in WWII.:crazy:
          Yeager was much more than a "stunt devil". He was a fine fighter pilot. When he was shot down over occupied France he helped the French resistance in several sabotage missions before they helped him get back to England. His victory totals might have been higher, but he could not be sent back to fight over Europe for fear if shot down again he could compromise the resistance fighters who had assisted him (standard practice).

          Though he did not go to college he was an intuitive aerodynamic engineer who with Jack Ridley was able to translate the feel of a plane into the physical correction of a part needed to make it fly the way they wanted it to. Everyone who flys commercial aircraft owe Yeager and Ridley a huge debt. They discovered the need of fully controlable tail surfaces for high speed aircraft. Something all commercial jets employ.

          He was also a fine leader of other men. Far more than a stunt devil.
          Lance W.

          Peace through superior firepower.

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            Re: Brigadier General Charles Yeager

            Originally posted by jdscott7280
            Does anyone remember this name? I doubt it. But yet y'all should. He was the first pilot to break the sound barrier. He was also an ace in WW2. He finished the war with 17 1/2 kills. I am currently reading his autobiography which is a very good read and recommend it to others.
            My favorite part of his story is about transplanting trout in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. The aviation stuff is pretty cool too.
            Lance W.

            Peace through superior firepower.

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            • #7
              I believe that Charles E. "Chuck" Yeager was first USAAF to shot down Messerschmitt Me 262 Jet fighter while he was flying P-51D Mustang (Propeller Fighter) and Yeager sighted one of the Germans approaching his home field at about 200 miles per hour, closed to within four hundred yards, and finally fired a short burst. Chuck was able to see the German Jet crash land and its right wing come off, it was first and only confirmed jet victory, but he was able to clam two others as damaged during the very same mission.

              Rafe

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              • #8
                Not the only Me 262 kill.

                Originally posted by Rafe35
                I believe that Charles E. "Chuck" Yeager was first USAAF to shot down Messerschmitt Me 262 Jet fighter while he was flying P-51D Mustang (Propeller Fighter) and Yeager sighted one of the Germans approaching his home field at about 200 miles per hour, closed to within four hundred yards, and finally fired a short burst. Chuck was able to see the German Jet crash land and its right wing come off, it was first and only confirmed jet victory, but he was able to clam two others as damaged during the very same mission.

                Rafe
                One (or some) of the Tuskegee Airmen shot down three Me262s in a flight over Berlin while escorting bombers.
                I come here to discuss a piece of business with you and what are you gonna do? You're gonna tell me fairy tales? James Caan in the movie "Thief" ca 1981

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                • #9
                  It's kind of ironic.

                  Originally posted by 11bgod
                  In "The Right Stuff" he is listed as being THE reason behind all pilots developing a southern drawl when things get tense in the cockpit.

                  A great American, to say the least.
                  Your avatar has Sam Shepard (in his role from Black Hawk Down) on it. Shepard played Yeager in The Right Stuff.
                  I come here to discuss a piece of business with you and what are you gonna do? You're gonna tell me fairy tales? James Caan in the movie "Thief" ca 1981

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                  • #10
                    Re: Not the only Me 262 kill.

                    Originally posted by Tom DeFranco
                    One (or some) of the Tuskegee Airmen shot down three Me262s in a flight over Berlin while escorting bombers.
                    I might be wrong, but I thought Chuck had first kills for USAAF before Tuskegee Airmen show up after they move up to Germany lines, but I might not right and I know PTO "Air War" History than ETO.

                    Rafe

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                    • #11
                      Re: Re: Not the only Me 262 kill.

                      Originally posted by Rafe35
                      I might be wrong, but I thought Chuck had first kills for USAAF before Tuskegee Airmen show up after they move up to Germany lines, but I might not right and I know PTO "Air War" History than ETO.

                      Rafe
                      I didn't know that the "first" was what you were getting at, I thought you meant, the "only" jet kill. You may be right.
                      I come here to discuss a piece of business with you and what are you gonna do? You're gonna tell me fairy tales? James Caan in the movie "Thief" ca 1981

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                      • #12
                        Re: Re: Re: Not the only Me 262 kill.

                        Originally posted by Tom DeFranco
                        I didn't know that the "first" was what you were getting at, I thought you meant, the "only" jet kill. You may be right.
                        I found the date where he shot down first Me 262 in November 6, 1944 and I don't know when Tuskegee Airmen shot down 3 Me 262, but I like to found out and Tuskegee Airmen did excellent job for protecting US Bombers while bombing in Germany.

                        Also British also shot down Me 262 wherever they fly on Hawker Tempest and Supermarine Spitfire XIV, but british newest Gloster Meteor did not get the chance against Messerschmitt Me 262.

                        Rafe

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                        • #13
                          RE; Chuck Yeager

                          The first Me 262 be brought down in combat belong to Maj Joseph Myers and 2Lt Manford Crory of the P-47D-equipped 78th Fighter Group. Yeager may have been among the first but is preceded by others.

                          At the time Yeager was shot down over France he had one air victory on March, 1944. He would not make ace until he was allowed to return to flying by the brass after his French exploits evading the enemy. He made "ace in a day", two of those were done without firing a shot. To evade Yeager the German 109 pilot crashed into his wingman.

                          He had low opinion of Grabeski claiming half of Gabby's victories were planes on the ground he shot up. The official record on Grabeski says otherwise.

                          Grabeski made ace in the Korean War, as well. Yeager never shot down another plane after WW2. Yeager's post WW2 career was light duty compared to someone like Gabreski and Robin Olds.

                          Yeager and his partner did not "discover" the flying tail. It was discovered by the British who turned it over to the Americans.

                          Yeager was a great pilot but his dissing of other great pilots like Armstrong and Grabeski suggest he does have an ego.

                          Who's the best, I don't know. But among the best test pilots ever would be Eric Brown. I would say every bit the equal of Yeager if not better.

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                          • #14
                            I used to have Yeager's biography, but like all the best books we owned, I either lent it out or got rid of it when moving for lack of apsce.

                            I remember it was a very well thought out read. Accounts by pilots usually are, being a little better versed and educated than most of us mere mortals. Every one of them could tell a story like it was yesterday. Yeager was no exception.

                            American pilots are often thought to "have it comparitively easy" compared to their russian and Brit counterparts. Better technological tools, and thoe standard armament on every fighter of six .50 calibre machine guns. I review i once read said, "You can bore yourself to death comparing american fighters. They all dive like gangbusters, take more hits than Popeye, and have armour around the cockpit and self sealing fuel tanks as standard issue."

                            But, you still have to 'fly' the bloody things, position yourself, allow for deflection, fire the burst without running out of ammo too quick, and finally, make sure you don't get "target fixation" and are shot down at the moment of triumph, or in a collision, or circling and losing height so any local Flak concentrates and whacks you in a single hit.

                            The American Army Air Corps pilots of WW2 were the ONLY airforce to physically take on the Luftwaffe in an attrition role. (the British had not the resources in fighters, or the training program to replace much in the way of losses for an attrition war. A lot of their war in the air was in bombers and coastal craft, and they had a 'knack' for ground attack conversions until the Typhoon appeared. The Soviets tended to avoid the 'experten' preferring to escort their own copious ground attack machines.), They had to grind the Nazi Air service into dust before D-Day forced them into other roles, becuase ther was nobody else to do the job, in numbers at any rate.

                            We should be very thankful that a proportion of American pilots survived this process at all. It was a murderous way to use an air force, but it was absolutely VITAL to "Overlord's" success.

                            We owe these educated and egotisical guys a whole lot. Their efforts saved tens, even hundred of thousands of lives.
                            Last edited by Drusus Nero; 19 Sep 15, 04:37.
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