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  • Guys any advice on good russian war movies that were recently released?

    I really liked "Svoi", "Svolochi" was OK

    "zvezda", "diversant", "v avguste 44go" were not as good.

    "kukushka" and "ivanovo detstvo"(old Tarkovskiy movie) are my favorite so far

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    • Holodnoe leto 53go and Moy drug Ivan Lapshin are gems os soviet cinematography in my opinion. Ivan Lapshin is here:

      http://film.arjlover.net/film/

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      • Originally posted by outline
        Holodnoe leto 53go and Moy drug Ivan Lapshin are gems os soviet cinematography in my opinion. Ivan Lapshin is here:

        http://film.arjlover.net/film/
        Those are not military movies.

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        • Originally posted by outline
          Guys any advice on good russian war movies that were recently released?

          I really liked "Svoi", "Svolochi" was OK

          "zvezda", "diversant", "v avguste 44go" were not as good.

          "kukushka" and "ivanovo detstvo"(old Tarkovskiy movie) are my favorite so far
          According my opinion nothing good was made in the last time after "Star" and "In the August of 1944".

          Only "Svoi" ("Ours") is good enough.

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          • Originally posted by outline
            Guys any advice on good russian war movies that were recently released?

            I really liked "Svoi", "Svolochi" was OK

            "zvezda", "diversant", "v avguste 44go" were not as good.

            "kukushka" and "ivanovo detstvo"(old Tarkovskiy movie) are my favorite so far
            "Svolochi" is one of the worst film. It has nothing with reality. I laughed much watching it "by one eye".

            Zvezda is one of the best modern movies.
            VAvguste 44-go also is quite good movie except some mistakes in details
            If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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            • In my view, "Svolochi" is the worst.
              "Kukushka" is very good, but the motif is too old.
              "Первый после бога" as the same as "Противостояние".
              "9 rota" is not good, unlike "Afganski izlom" (the Italian star played a good character).
              And "Svoi" is the best.

              Anybody here watch "Voina" of Balabanov? Someone called it a Russki american-like action movie, but i think tthis show the Russian view about Chesnhia war.

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              • Guys from Russia what's your opinion on Kukushka?

                Svoi is great. Holodnoe Leto 53go has nothing to do with the war, yet it will give a very good overview for the western public on Stalin era, and how it really was. I can say it's my favorite russian movie all time.

                Svolochi...I can't say I wasted my time watching it. I did enjoy it.

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                • Originally posted by DANNGOC
                  Anybody here watch "Voina" of Balabanov? Someone called it a Russki american-like action movie, but i think tthis show the Russian view about Chesnhia war.
                  "Voina" ("War") is related to the Chechen War. I suppose that it will be very useful for Westerners to look this movie, the movie is really great.

                  I want to add that it is not classic military movie about combats, it is a movie about rescue of some captured hostages including British citizens. I suppose that I can say a little about its contents.

                  A group of Chechen bandits had a few hostages - some Russian militaries-POWs and two British citizens - the wife and the husband. The British were actors who had been captured for ransom. The Chechens liberated one Russian soldier and the Britishman with the mission to ask for ransom. The Russian soldier returned home, the Britishman returned in Britain and asked the government to save his wife. The government answered that it didn't talk with terrorists and would not pay the ransom.

                  So the Britishman took all the money he was able to get and went in Russia to try to liberate his wife. He came to the former Russian soldier who had been a drafted 20-year guy and had became civilian by that moment and asked the soldier to help to save his wife. They went to Chechnya as two private persons...

                  I want to add that the Chechen bandits ("freedom fighters" in the West) areshown how the Russians know them. Look on it.

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                  • ABOUT MODERN RUSSIAN MILITARY MOVIES

                    I want to say a couple of words about modern Russian movies about the WWII.

                    For a few last years patriotism had been very popular in Russia. The people had liked to look movies about Great Patriotic War, the actors who had been played bandits a few years ago had been playing Soviet officers and soldiers for a few last years.

                    And it is not only about WWII events, it is also about modern police, secret services and militaries.

                    The Russian moviemakers also had seen what the people had been wanting to see so they had been beginning to produce a lot of movies about WWII. They had been producing movies and mini-TV series.

                    But... But the average quality of those movies and mini-TV series is very bad according my opinion. Sometimes it looks like those who had written the scenarios for the modern movies are idiots. They use stamps very often, it looks like they made a "soap opera" or a gamngster movie but a day after they were ordered to make a military movie.

                    Those guys make a market on military movies, they do not try to create a masterpiece. They had been got much money to make a movie and they spent it.

                    For example, in the most of modern movies there is an representative of NKVD ("osobist") who is a very bad guy. And often it looks like that guy harmed more than the Germans. I know that there were such bad guys but their amount is too much im modern Russian movies.

                    I can say a few examples:

                    "Shtrafbat" ("A penal battalion")- the actors are the best Russian actors, the played very well but the movie is complete idiotism which is not related to reality. One stupidity follows after another, one false - after another. It looks like the moviemakers wanted to show Red Army very bad. There was a very bad guy - representative of NKVD.

                    "Na bezymiannoi vysote" ("On a nameless hill") - I can say the same. Actors were great, the movie was a complete idiotism. Of course, there was a very bad guy - representative of NKVD.

                    "Convoy PQ-17". I suppose you can imagine about what this movie was. It is a mini-TV series based on the very famous in the USSR book - "Requiem to the convoy PQ-17" by V. Pikul. The book was a bestseller in the 80th when the Soviet people didn't know anything about the actions of the Western Allies in WWII. I was disappointed by the movie. The actors play very well, the music was very sad and sometimes tears welled up. But... The movie was made in the worst traditions of the Soviet propaganda. The Allied officers were shown as cowards or idiots, only ordinary Allied sailors were shown well.
                    I read the book which describes the events approximately correctly. But what the moviemakers had done!!! The real feats of real Allied ships that had been decribed in the book they transferred to one SOVIET ship. So in the result in the movie the Soviet ship made a few heroic actions that in reality were made by a few Allied ships (by escort and cargo ships). For example, in the book a few sailors of an Allied transport used some tanks that were placed on the deck as a cargo to defend against a German submarine. In the movie it was done by in the Soviet transport ship. In the book the story of a small escort ship was described. The escort ship refused to abandone the convoy and continued to escort a few transports which had been gathered around it. The commander of the escort ship ordered to paint all the ships in white and to move along the ice edge. In the movie the single Soviet ship re-painted in white and moved along the edge of the ice, nothing was spoken about the actions of that escort ship. And, of course, there was a very bad guy - representative of NKVD. He ordered to shoot two women who had seen that much gold was secretly loaded on the cruiser "Edinburg". It was nonsense, there was no one word about it in the book, I never heard about such cases. It looks like somebody saw the scenario and said "What??? Why doesn't it contain anything about bad NKVD-men? Add something about it, it is imposible to make a modern military movie and to not say anyting about bad NKVD-men". But commonly convoy PQ-17 is MUCH better than "Shtrafbat" and "On a nameless hill".

                    "Svolochi". It is one more complete nonsense. A group of boys-criminals was gathered and trained to make a special saboteur mission. It is something like "Dirty dozen" but about children. The most part of the movie the children were got training and scuffled against each other. The mission was shown for a few last minutes and it is not understandable why children had to done it.

                    So I want to warn that a label "Made in Russia" doesn't mean that the movie is good and that it shows RUSSIAN point of view. DO NOT SPEND YOUR money on unknown modern Russian movies about WWII. (Also there were a lot of BAD SOVIET movies about WWII so DO NOT BUY unknown Soviet movies about WWII - :-))

                    I want to repeat that the best Russian modern movie about WWII is "Zvezda" ("Star"). It is the remake of old Soviet movie and this movie is BETTER than his Soviet "brother". It was a real masterpiece.

                    If anyone has questions I am ready to answer.

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                    • So Hollywood is not the only source of garbage. "PQ-17" the "Russian Pearl Harbour" (meaning as bad as Pearl Harbour)!! This is a shame for Russians who want to learn the truth about their grandparents. Is this another example Andrey of the fashion after the collapse of the Soviet Union and Communism in Eastern Europe to say everything about that period and system was bad? One friend from Bulgaria told me (he is in his late 20s btw) that there many Bulgarians are disappointed with the EU for example. In history, what little I see in websites in English from Eastern Europe is very one sided, of course I say this as an outsider. So Russia has some of the same problems. I hope professional historians are trying to correct this.

                      Could not the filmakers contact military people or historians (or Alexei or Valery or you) to get info?

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                      • 200% agree with Andrey.

                        Majority of Russian modern film-makers are absolutely unaware of the subject.
                        Probably they learnt from Hollywood :P


                        Joea,
                        That idiots prefers to save money on expert help!

                        IMHO, the best movies about the Great Patriotic War were made in 1970s-1980s.

                        "Oni Srazhalis' za Rodinu" (They fought for the Motherland) - a masterpiece forever!

                        regards,
                        Alex
                        If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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                        • Originally posted by amvas
                          200% agree with Andrey.
                          That was Great Amvas who had said that I had said correct words. W-a-u-u!

                          Majority of Russian modern film-makers are absolutely unaware of the subject.
                          Probably they learnt from Hollywood :P
                          I completely agree.

                          Joea,
                          That idiots prefers to save money on expert help!

                          IMHO, the best movies about the Great Patriotic War were made in 1970s-1980s.
                          In the USSR EVERY movie was made according a state order.

                          In the USSR EVERY movie had a consultant who was a competent military or a historian.

                          In "democratic" Russia EVERYONE can make a historical movie and to choose how to make it. He can do it without any expert!!!! It is the same as in Hollywood!!! If I am a Russian moviemaker I can make a movie where the Germans had captured Stalingrad!!!

                          I want to say that I am not a historian, I am an ENGINEER. But the modern Russian moviemakers often make the mistakes that are seen by me even!!!! So there are two possibilities: I am very good in history or they are completely incompetent.

                          "Oni Srazhalis' za Rodinu" (They fought for the Motherland) - a masterpiece forever!
                          This movie in #1 in my list!!!! W-a-u-u again!

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                          • Originally posted by amvas
                            200% agree with Andrey.

                            Majority of Russian modern film-makers are absolutely unaware of the subject.
                            Probably they learnt from Hollywood :P

                            IMHO, the best movies about the Great Patriotic War were made in 1970s-1980s.

                            "Oni Srazhalis' za Rodinu" (They fought for the Motherland) - a masterpiece forever!

                            regards,
                            Alex
                            Agree Amvas .... But Soviet-period movies are usually not good as the original novels.

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                            • Originally posted by DANNGOC
                              Agree Amvas .... But Soviet-period movies are usually not good as the original novels.
                              Everything is relative
                              If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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                              • Andrey, if I agree, that doesn't mean I'm great :P

                                Ha-ha-ha...

                                Ok in any case I found nothing to argue in your statements...

                                Alex
                                If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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