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  • I have just seen Ballad about a Soldier, which I got partly for language learning since it has good subtitles in English. I think the film's high reputation is well deserved and I enjoyed it alot. The short battle scene featured T34 based German tank mock-ups being destroyed by the main character's anti-tank rifle. Was such a weapon capable of penetrating say a mark IV's frontal armour in reality? What sort of round did they use? I also have The Star but haven't had time to watch it yet, and Franz & Polina on order from a Moldovan dealer on Ebay - cheap. Finally I have the Shrafbat set though the English subtitles have obviously been translated from Japanese and are the worst quality I have ever seen!

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    • Originally posted by Dave T View Post
      I have just seen Ballad about a Soldier, which I got partly for language learning since it has good subtitles in English. I think the film's high reputation is well deserved and I enjoyed it alot. The short battle scene featured T34 based German tank mock-ups being destroyed by the main character's anti-tank rifle. Was such a weapon capable of penetrating say a mark IV's frontal armour in reality? What sort of round did they use?
      If you remember the scene, the soldier hitted the first tank in its bottom, the second tank was probably hit in its side.

      The Soviet AT-rifles-crewmen were taught to fire in weak places of German tanks. If the armor was too strong they tried to damage tracks or wheels. The Soviet infantry used AT-rifles even in 1944-45.

      I also have The Star but haven't had time to watch it yet, and Franz & Polina on order from a Moldovan dealer on Ebay - cheap.
      Those are the best Russian movies (the third best one is "Peregon") of the last 15 years.

      I saw Franz+Poline at evening in a dark room where nobody disturbed me. Excellent movie. Its influence was like "Shindler's list", I didn't move for a few dozens seconds after the end of the movie as I was impressed too much. But I want to warn that it is not a high scale movie about the German atrocities. It is a love story on the background of the German actions in occupied Byelorussia. And I want to repeat that te exactnessof the movie is great.

      Finally I have the Shrafbat set though the English subtitles have obviously been translated from Japanese and are the worst quality I have ever seen!
      Hmmm... I think to look this crap means to poison the spectator's mind by the false of the movie. VERY bad movie.

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      • Have now seen Star, Franz and Polina, and The Cranes are Flying. All very good. Have to get Peregon next.
        BTW, I know Shrafbat is a very inferior product to the others but I don't take it seriously and I do find it entertaining. It is helping with my language learning because the subtitles are so poor!

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        • Originally posted by Dave T View Post
          Have now seen Star, Franz and Polina, and The Cranes are Flying. All very good. Have to get Peregon next.
          BTW, I know Shrafbat is a very inferior product to the others but I don't take it seriously and I do find it entertaining. It is helping with my language learning because the subtitles are so poor!
          I advice you to train in Russian in other movies, maybe, non-military.

          The movies like Shtrafbat are like poison. The distort a spectator's view about "how it was". Shtrafbat was criticized very much by people who educated in the History of WWII.

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          • Originally posted by Dave T View Post
            Have now seen Star, Franz and Polina, and The Cranes are Flying. All very good. Have to get Peregon next.
            How are they in comparison with Western movies?

            Have they changed your view of an average Soviet soldier and of the actions in the Soviet-German Front (remember this term? )?

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            • Originally posted by Andrey View Post
              How are they in comparison with Western movies?

              Have they changed your view of an average Soviet soldier and of the actions in the Soviet-German Front (remember this term? )?
              How could I forget the correct term after all those reminders?
              The films I have seen are IMHO very good compared to most serious Western war films I have seen.
              In all honesty, they have not altered my opinion of "the average Soviet soldier" because I did not hold any such stereotype - neither do I have such views on average soldiers of the British, American or German forces. I presume there was wide variation in the quality and behaviour of all the troops of those armies. I do like films that attempt to portray actual events on a large scale - eg A Bridge too Far, The Longest Day, but I prefer films that can concentrate on individual characters. Band of Brothers series managed to do both. The Russian films mentioned are realistic and do contain sympathetic characters, and plots that tear at the heart strings - but not in a slushy over sentimental or Hollywood way. They make Enemy at the Gate look very third rate - that being the Western only portrayal of the Red Army I can think of.
              I have been reading about the Soviet-German Front for some time now and am probably not representative of British views on the subject. You and other Russian posters are probably right about Western Stereotypical and cliched views - the human wave attacks sharing weapons, urged on at gunpoint, summary execution for failure, even rape and pillage. It would be good if more Westerners could see some of these films to challenge their prejudice. I am loaning my copies out as my personal contribution!
              I have been viewing non- war Russian films too BTW but thought that a bit off-topic! (Mirror - puzzled me, At Home Among Strangers, A Stranger among his own, OK only, Lilya for Ever, very good. I can't remember the title off hand but a film in 2 parts about a factory specialist who pretends to be wealthy and gets pregnant looked promising but I need to find part 2!
              You see the Russian bug really has bitten me!

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              • Originally posted by Dave T View Post
                How could I forget the correct term after all those reminders?
                The films I have seen are IMHO very good compared to most serious Western war films I have seen.
                In all honesty, they have not altered my opinion of "the average Soviet soldier" because I did not hold any such stereotype - neither do I have such views on average soldiers of the British, American or German forces. I presume there was wide variation in the quality and behaviour of all the troops of those armies. I do like films that attempt to portray actual events on a large scale - eg A Bridge too Far, The Longest Day, but I prefer films that can concentrate on individual characters. Band of Brothers series managed to do both. The Russian films mentioned are realistic and do contain sympathetic characters, and plots that tear at the heart strings - but not in a slushy over sentimental or Hollywood way. They make Enemy at the Gate look very third rate - that being the Western only portrayal of the Red Army I can think of.
                I have been reading about the Soviet-German Front for some time now and am probably not representative of British views on the subject. You and other Russian posters are probably right about Western Stereotypical and cliched views - the human wave attacks sharing weapons, urged on at gunpoint, summary execution for failure, even rape and pillage. It would be good if more Westerners could see some of these films to challenge their prejudice. I am loaning my copies out as my personal contribution!
                I recommend you to see
                "The fought for the Motherland"
                http://www.ruscico.com/detail.php?lang=en&film=322

                and

                "The hot snow"

                http://www.ruscico.com/detail.php?lang=en&film=338
                "Star" is about a recon group.

                "Cranes are flying" is about love.

                "Franz+Polina" is about life in occupied territories.

                "The fought for the Motherland" and "The hot snow" are about frontline soldiers in first line trenches and about how they fought in Stalingrad battle.

                I promise you that you will not sorry about it.

                I have been viewing non- war Russian films too BTW but thought that a bit off-topic! (Mirror - puzzled me, At Home Among Strangers, A Stranger among his own, OK only, Lilya for Ever, very good. I can't remember the title off hand but a film in 2 parts about a factory specialist who pretends to be wealthy and gets pregnant looked promising but I need to find part 2!
                You see the Russian bug really has bitten me!
                Mmmm.... Very strangeset of movies.

                Mirror - don't know what you mean.

                At Home Among Strangers, A Stranger among his own, - it is non-traditional movie.

                Lilya Forever - haven't seen it

                the last one is "Moskva slezam ne verit" ("Moscow doesn't believe to tears"). That Soviet movie got an Oscar in the 80th!!!!
                http://www.ruscico.com/detail.php?lang=en&film=73

                It is a very strangfe set, and if I should recommended to someone to meet with Soviet/Russian movies, I would advice other movies (excluding the last one which is really a masterpiece).

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                • Originally posted by Andrey View Post
                  I recommend you to see
                  "The fought for the Motherland"
                  http://www.ruscico.com/detail.php?lang=en&film=322

                  and

                  "The hot snow"

                  http://www.ruscico.com/detail.php?lang=en&film=338

                  Mirror - don't know what you mean.


                  the last one is "Moskva slezam ne verit" ("Moscow doesn't believe to tears"). That Soviet movie got an Oscar in the 80th!!!!
                  http://www.ruscico.com/detail.php?lang=en&film=73

                  ).
                  I will add your recommendations to my wanted list.
                  "Mirror" is said to be Andrei Tarkovsky's reflections on his childhood and the destiny of the Russian people. It features his Father - Ardeny - reading his own poems on the soundtrack. I just didn't get it.

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                  • At Home Among Strangers, A Stranger among his own : a good movie in 80's. Nikita Mikhalkov play a good guy.
                    I like "Proshanyie Slavanki" version in this film. There are also "Proshanyie Slavanki" versions in other Russian movies: in "August of 1944", in "72 metres" and so on... "Proshanyie Slavanki" in "72 metres" is very touched and made me sad, very sad.

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                    • Originally posted by DANNGOC View Post
                      At Home Among Strangers, A Stranger among his own : a good movie in 80's. Nikita Mikhalkov play a good guy.
                      It is a non-typical Soviet movie about the Civil War.

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                      • Originally posted by Dave T View Post
                        I will add your recommendations to my wanted list.
                        "Mirror" is said to be Andrei Tarkovsky's reflections on his childhood and the destiny of the Russian people. It features his Father - Ardeny - reading his own poems on the soundtrack. I just didn't get it.
                        I didn't see that of Tarkovkii's movies. Tarkovskii is not a very popular in Russia if to speak about seeing of his movies. He is a well-known, the critics speak he is a good master but his movies are too difficult for common public.

                        His movies are not typical for Russian/Soviet movies. There are A LOT OF excellent movies which are popualar between Russian people and are well-known, they are part of Russian modern culture. Tarkovskii's movies are not so well-known, only a small part of intellectuals saw them.

                        So I warn you that if you see in a Western shoip that a Soviet/Russian movie is selled with label "The best Russian movie" it doesn't mean it is correct.

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                        • Originally posted by Andrey View Post
                          I
                          So I warn you that if you see in a Western shoip that a Soviet/Russian movie is selled with label "The best Russian movie" it doesn't mean it is correct.
                          I think you are right!
                          A Russian friend shares your recommendation of V boy idut odni stariki. That is on my growing list as well.
                          What does "Proshanyie Slavanki" version mean?

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                          • "Proshanyie Slavanki" : a great russian march, symbol of Russian Army. In "72 metr", there is a scene when that song was played in the partition of Black Sea Fleet. Our Andrey have told us about that scene in topic movie

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                            • Originally posted by DANNGOC View Post
                              "Proshanyie Slavanki" : a great russian march, symbol of Russian Army. In "72 metr", there is a scene when that song was played in the partition of Black Sea Fleet. Our Andrey have told us about that scene in topic movie
                              Thanks Danngoc. I should have known that! Found it now.
                              http://download.sovmusic.ru/m32/proshan2.mp3

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                              • Originally posted by DANNGOC View Post
                                "Proshanyie Slavanki" : a great russian march, symbol of Russian Army. In "72 metr", there is a scene when that song was played in the partition of Black Sea Fleet. Our Andrey have told us about that scene in topic movie
                                I think it is better to give English translated names also and not only original Russian name by Latin letters...

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