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  • ShAA
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    Originally posted by Exorcist View Post
    Going straight back to that, again?
    Well, there is the Soviet portrayal of all Germans in that war- the Fanatical unrelenting killer that is also a coward that runs from armed Russians yet always machine-guns unarmed civilians in preference to the Russian pointing a cannon at him... and on and on.

    That war was 70 years ago, but you would think it was still going on for some people.
    The portrayal of the Germans in Russia is exactly the same in every detail as it was during the war.
    Why can't some people move on?

    I'm going to follow Salinator's suggestion.
    Endless war and all that rot...
    If they killed 27 million Americans, you would be the first one to insist to show the Germans as the vile murderers they were in every WW2 movie with foam all over your mouth.

    As for the human shield scene, it really happened during the fighting in the Brest fortress, and it was described on numerous occasions elsewhere on the Eastern and even Western fronts. If you're so sorry your beloved Germans were shown not exactly like the chivalrious knights you believe them to have been, sorry, no candy for you.

    You have to understand one thing - this war was absolutely nothing like it was for the Americans, and the Germans treated - and fought - the Russians in a completely different fashion than how they fought the Americans. So the portrayal of the Germans would be entirely different from what you believe it "should be", and for completely legitimate historical reasons, without any "propaganda" or anything.

    And finally, your hate and distrust for the Russians and Russia in your every post is getting a bit tiring. I would pay no attention to your posts or respond to them in an entirely different manner if you didn't seem reasonable and attempt to start a dialogue. But how can you have a dialogue with someone who's got "you evil b***rds" tucked in between the lines?

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  • stalin
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    Originally posted by Exorcist View Post
    That war was 70 years ago, but you would think it was still going on for some people. The portrayal of the Germans in Russia is exactly the same in every detail as it was during the war

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  • Emtos
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    Going straight back to that, again?
    Well, there is the Soviet portrayal of all Germans in that war- the Fanatical unrelenting killer that is also a coward that runs from armed Russians yet always machine-guns unarmed civilians in preference to the Russian pointing a cannon at him... and on and on.

    That war was 70 years ago, but you would think it was still going on for some people.
    The portrayal of the Germans in Russia is exactly the same in every detail as it was during the war.
    Why can't some people move on?

    I'm going to follow Salinator's suggestion.
    Endless war and all that rot...



    90 % of events of the film were shown as they were lived by those people.

    Dare explain us the fact that around 15 millions of Soviet civilians were killed during the war. In Belarus alone where the events of movie are happening a quart of the population was killed. In Leninigrad where ShAA is living, between 600 000 and a million of people were starved to death.

    Wrong portrayal ? My . It was reality, just accept it.


    Recently I had seen "Transformers 3".
    And what are you thing ? There were Russians ! What are they doing ? Drinking of course ! Where ? In a dark bar controlled by mafia and full of bitches.
    Maybe it's time to move on ?
    Last edited by Emtos; 18 Jul 11, 16:29.

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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by ShAA View Post
    Could you elaborate on this a bit? I reckon that for a man with heavy pro-German sympathies the portrayal of any Soviet soldier who is not an orc driven to mindless slaughter by ogres would be "propaganda"
    Going straight back to that, again?
    Well, there is the Soviet portrayal of all Germans in that war- the Fanatical unrelenting killer that is also a coward that runs from armed Russians yet always machine-guns unarmed civilians in preference to the Russian pointing a cannon at him... and on and on.

    That war was 70 years ago, but you would think it was still going on for some people.
    The portrayal of the Germans in Russia is exactly the same in every detail as it was during the war.
    Why can't some people move on?

    I'm going to follow Salinator's suggestion.
    Endless war and all that rot...

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  • ShAA
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    Originally posted by Exorcist View Post
    Thanks, but the only vid that hasn't been pulled yet was the trailer.
    I hate Youtube sometimes...
    I second Emtos' choice. This is one of the few recent movies which doesn't spout BS and stereotypes.

    The trailer DID look a lot like those propaganda posters, come to think of it.
    Could you elaborate on this a bit? I reckon that for a man with heavy pro-German sympathies the portrayal of any Soviet soldier who is not an orc driven to mindless slaughter by ogres would be "propaganda"

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  • Emtos
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    Thanks, but the only vid that hasn't been pulled yet was the trailer.
    I hate Youtube sometimes...
    The trailer DID look a lot like those propaganda posters, come to think of it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z11Pzsd9yJw

    Those propaganda posters ?

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  • Salinator
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    Will someone please nominate this movie for the new ACG Campaign?

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  • The Exorcist
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    Thanks, but the only vid that hasn't been pulled yet was the trailer.
    I hate Youtube sometimes...
    The trailer DID look a lot like those propaganda posters, come to think of it.

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  • Emtos
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    Speaking of that, have there been any recent war movies made in Russia?
    http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...ighlight=brest

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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by ShAA View Post
    If you shoot an American movie which portrays the Soviet reality based on images and "facts" shown in Soviet propaganda movies (and this is what 99,9% of American films about Russia do), you can only make it campy at best and cheesy/stupid at worst. "Zhivago" is a fine example of the latter.
    Yup.
    I think I'll watch Tank Brigade again.
    We should probably stick to making movies about our own guys. "The Hurt Locker was pretty good, seen it?
    Speaking of that, have there been any recent war movies made in Russia?

    (recently made, not about recent wars)

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  • ShAA
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    Originally posted by Exorcist View Post
    And in the end, the young couple march off together under the Red Star... jeez. I think the producers wanted to try and market it in the old USSR, and they might even have pulled it off.
    Big whoop.
    If you shoot an American movie which portrays the Soviet reality based on images and "facts" shown in Soviet propaganda movies (and this is what 99,9% of American films about Russia do), you can only make it campy at best and cheesy/stupid at worst. "Zhivago" is a fine example of the latter.

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  • stalin
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    Originally posted by Exorcist View Post
    the young couple march off together under the Red Star... jeez
    and why not?... at least this is how most Russians embraced the Soviet system... maybe that's what irritates you?

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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by Sharposhnikov View Post
    Although the movie was well directed, well acted and very well composed as a story by itself, to say that it accurately portrayed Russia, or the chaos of the Russian Revolution and Civil War, is a bit of a stretch. For one thing, that supposes that the physical scenery of Finland, Spain and England where it was filmed are the same as that of Russia, and that Russian aristocrats are physically and emotionally the same as English or Egyptian aristocrats. Possible, but it requires a suspension of belief that this old historian can't quite manage...
    .
    You ain't kidding.
    A family is reunited at a train station, Russian people that have not seen each other in years, and a quick Hello and a quick peck on the cheek is the extent of it?
    I don't think so.
    Yeah, I watched it, didn't understand what the hell the Doc's problem was, I think he needed a psychiatrist more than anything else.
    And in the end, the young couple march off together under the Red Star... jeez. I think the producers wanted to try and market it in the old USSR, and they might even have pulled it off.
    Big whoop.

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  • amvas
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    To nikolas93TS:

    Let me treat your post as personally insulting one.
    Try to beat Shamil with other methods, or you play at one field with him

    Regards
    Alex

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  • broderickwells
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    I enjoyed EATG as a film but thought it sucked as history.

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