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    Is there any information on the Red Army losses in december 1941? Reason:I have the CL and NCL for the 1st quarter of 1942,but nothing for december 1941 and I want compare the German and the Red Army losses for the winter offensive:i e :from december 1941 to april 1942 . Thank you very much.

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    According to Krivosheev's work:
    1941. IV quarter:
    Average monthly RKKA force size - 2 818 500
    Irrevokable losses (KIA, MIA incl. POW) - 926 002 , which is
    • (59,23% of all losses during the period)
    • (32,85% of the force size during the period)
    • (10,95% of the force size during a month)

    Medical losses - 637 327 , which is
    • (40,77% of all losses during the period)
    • (20,61% of the force size during the period)
    • (7,54% of the force size during a month)

    Total losses - 1 563 329

    Or from a campaign point of view:
    Winter campaign (5.12.1941-30.4.1942 г.), i.e. 147 days.
    Irrevocable losses - 1 249 000 (11,1% of the force size during the period)
    Medical losses - 1 602 700 (8,7% of the force size during the period)

    and finaly for the Moscow Strategic Offensive
    5 december 1941 - 7 january 1942
    Force size at the start of operation - 1 021 700
    Irrevocable losses - 1 395 861
    Medical losses - 231 369
    Total - 370 955 , which is 10 907 in average per day.
    Kind regards
    Igor

    * My grandfathers WW2 memoirs - Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Hungary, 1944-1945.
    * On the question of "2 mil. rapes" by RKKA
    * Verdicts of RKKA Military Tribunals for crimes against civilians in 1945

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Egorka View Post
      According to Krivosheev's work:
      1941. IV quarter:
      Average monthly RKKA force size - 2 818 500
      Irrevokable losses (KIA, MIA incl. POW) - 926 002 , which is
      • (59,23% of all losses during the period)
      • (32,85% of the force size during the period)
      • (10,95% of the force size during a month)

      Medical losses - 637 327 , which is
      • (40,77% of all losses during the period)
      • (20,61% of the force size during the period)
      • (7,54% of the force size during a month)

      Total losses - 1 563 329

      Or from a campaign point of view:
      Winter campaign (5.12.1941-30.4.1942 г.), i.e. 147 days.
      Irrevocable losses - 1 249 000 (11,1% of the force size during the period)
      Medical losses - 1 602 700 (8,7% of the force size during the period)

      and finaly for the Moscow Strategic Offensive
      5 december 1941 - 7 january 1942
      Force size at the start of operation - 1 021 700
      Irrevocable losses - 1 395 861
      Medical losses - 231 369
      Total - 370 955 , which is 10 907 in average per day.
      Igor,thank you very much !! I had to be more clear. I have from the AH Factbook the following:1941 :4th quarter :Irrevocable losses:1.OO7996 ;Wounded and sick :648521 1942 :1st quarter:I L:675315 ;W and S:1179457 . Someone (off-couse I have forgotten who )was so kindly to give the CL (I know it do not fit with W and S );for 1941 4 q:1516643 and for 1942 1 q:1652007 . I forgot that from a Russian point of view the Winteroffensive include also april ,but for april I have no German figures and that makes a comparison difficult. I presume Krivosheev do not give monthly losses . I downloaded Krivosheev parly,but I must say that for a not English speaking amateur ,he is a little obscure . There is also the point that I L is not the same as C L and W and S is not NCL . And even I we could calculate the Russian NCL ,it should not be fair to equalize them with the German NCL,these are for the Ostheer only,the Russian ones include also NCL of the Russian "ersatzheer" (if I am not making a big mistake ) . One shall have to make shift with it. Once again thank you.

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      • #4
        I wouldn't have to discourage you but IMO there is no any reliable source for such comparison. For selected operations more or less accurate data can be found but for all fronts - yes, there are some numbers but it's a big question how they are close to the reality. The higher level you take, the less accuracy you get. Rigid time frames also don't help - there usually was a lag in presenting of data (both soviets and german), especially after intensive battles. Perhaps when Memorial Database is finished it will give some basis for more accurate account but that's data are also not complete unfortunately.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Rambow View Post
          I wouldn't have to discourage you but IMO there is no any reliable source for such comparison. For selected operations more or less accurate data can be found but for all fronts - yes, there are some numbers but it's a big question how they are close to the reality. The higher level you take, the less accuracy you get. Rigid time frames also don't help - there usually was a lag in presenting of data (both soviets and german), especially after intensive battles. Perhaps when Memorial Database is finished it will give some basis for more accurate account but that's data are also not complete unfortunately.
          Rambow:thank you for the information;the point was I have monthly casualty figures of the Germans(AHF by Qvist ) and I was wondering if there existed also some of the Russian side,but Krivosheev is giving only quarterly losses ,hence my question .

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