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  • How was the Stavka made up?

    How was the Stavka made up?

    Didnt they have some genius chess player in charge?

    Do you think their operations and strategy were better planned than the Western Allies?

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    Didnt they have some genius chess player in charge?
    No, because the East Front was a very big. An one person did not think for all

    Do you think their operations and strategy were better planned than the Western Allies?
    How will we compare Western Allies with USSR?
    What criteria will we use?
    "In case of war guys in dark blue berets will be thrown in a mouth to an aggressor on purpose to break off this mouth"
    Vasily Margelov the father-founder of the Soviet airborne troops

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Willp View Post
      How was the Stavka made up?

      Didnt they have some genius chess player in charge?

      Do you think their operations and strategy were better planned than the Western Allies?
      Do you mean who was in it? That's easy:

      Defense Commissar Timoshenko
      Chief of the General Staff Zhukov
      Stalin
      Molotov
      Marshal Budennyi
      Navy Commissar Kuznetsov
      Marshal Voroshilov
      "If you have too firm a belief in the glories of soldiering, try a war."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SunCat View Post
        No, because the East Front was a very big. An one person did not think for all


        How will we compare Western Allies with USSR?
        What criteria will we use?
        The East Front was big but there must have been some one who took an overall operational view point otherwise there would uncoordinated action which wasted resorts.

        I think a good measuring stick would be did the USSR make more effective descions than the allies in operational terms. eg Would the USSR have chosen the broad or narrow in NW Europe in '44.

        Hind sight has proved that a narrow thrust across the Rhine into the Rhur would most likly have finished the war in 44 but the allies chose an attack every where concept.

        Would the USSR have tolerated a figure like Montgomery?

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        • #5
          The conditions under which he Western Allies fought were very different from the Soviets so you can't compare the two very easily at all. The question about if the Soviets would have chosen a narrow or wide front is meaningless in my opinion.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by joea View Post
            The conditions under which he Western Allies fought were very different from the Soviets so you can't compare the two very easily at all. The question about if the Soviets would have chosen a narrow or wide front is meaningless in my opinion.
            Why is the question meaningless? Undoubtedly conditions were different at all levels but not to the point were comparisson is pointless. The Russians were faced with difficult operational descions all the time as were the allies. EG Whether to carry out big or Little Saturn, in the first instance driving on Rostov and trapping all of Army Group A as well as elements of Army Group South or just encirling the Sixth Army at Stalingrad.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kardon View Post
              Do you mean who was in it? That's easy:

              Defense Commissar Timoshenko
              Chief of the General Staff Zhukov
              Stalin
              Molotov
              Marshal Budennyi
              Navy Commissar Kuznetsov
              Marshal Voroshilov
              So was this a regular meeting of department heads, or was there also a group of clerks, aides, advisors, and other assitants who made up a organization? For example the US 'National Security Council' is made up of a similar group of chiefs, but also is a formal organization of support personnel.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Carl Schwamberg View Post
                So was this a regular meeting of department heads, or was there also a group of clerks, aides, advisors, and other assitants who made up a organization? For example the US 'National Security Council' is made up of a similar group of chiefs, but also is a formal organization of support personnel.
                I think it's pretty obvious from the membership list that Stavka was not a bunch of department heads!

                Stalin was the head of every institution that mattered during the war - Stavka, the State Defense Committee (GKO), government, Communist Party, and as dictator he had the final say in all things. Official meetings were few but he had representatives of one or more of these organizations in his office every day, and since he was the head of many organizations his subordinates were often unsure in what capacity he was making a decision. Stavka was the supreme military decision making body, and staff functions were carried out by the General Staff.
                "If you have too firm a belief in the glories of soldiering, try a war."

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                • #9
                  Kardon...I'll not quibble over labels.

                  Perhaps someone else knows if this STAVKA has its own support group, or otherwise?

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