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    Hey guys, what's up with Putin over there? Any word on why he's firing his staff?

    Also, what are you all hearing about the upcoming presidential election in the U.S.? What's Itar-Tass reporting?
    Stay Alert, Stay Alive!

  • #2
    Re: Politics?

    Originally posted by Jim H. Moreno
    Hey guys, what's up with Putin over there? Any word on why he's firing his staff?

    Also, what are you all hearing about the upcoming presidential election in the U.S.? What's Itar-Tass reporting?
    Firstly, do not believe in information in West mass media about Russia. I read translations of most famous articles of West mass media in www.inosmi.ru.

    Most part of these articles are not show situation correctly, they often write complete nonsense.

    And if to read West mass media it looks like something very bad happened in Russia now. One news are worse than other news. But it is often very wrong and primitive description of events in Russia. It looks like to see US movies and to suppose that these movies show US life correctly.

    If we began to reinforce Armed Forces - West mass media speaks that Russian Bear is returning, if Russia increase power of secret services and police - it is strugle against Democracy, if police began actions against olygarchs - it is again struiggle against freedom, if Democrats lost elections - it is because Putin controls TV, if patriotic forces won elections - it is because Russian nationalism is increasing....

    Most part of West mass media doesn't understand what is happening in Russia and go into hysteric too often.

    And there is opinion that West makes "information war" against Russia...

    And about your questions.

    Putin describes his decision officially, read translation of his words (without US comments - ;-)). Also as I heard Kasyanov was related with family of Eltsin, Putin completely liberated from last Eltsin influence now (also Kasyanov was related with olygarchs).

    In any case most part of population supports Putin (and it is not result of mass media propaganda), people likes actions of Putin, he tries to build powerful state (it means not only military strong but also state with hard order inside, with power of laws, social help for people and quiet life for population)

    Itar-TASS - is it equal "Russian propaganda" in your mind - ;-)?

    There are three main TV channels in Russia now - 1st Channel (ORT), "Russia" and NTV.

    In these TV channels I can hear that Kerry again won preliminary elections in new district, American public supports Kerry more than Bush, Democrats speak that economical situation in USA became worse in time of president Bush and that war in Iraq was wrong war and most part American public and mass media agree with it, Key said that Iraq had no WMD, about new explosion in Iraq...

    But I want to add that main TV-channels speak about Iraq events very carefully, it looks like they decided didn't speak too many data about Iraq events and that bad news (for Americans - ;-)) about Iraq which can be considered as anti-US propaganda and can irritate US government.

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    • #3
      Re: Politics?

      Originally posted by Jim H. Moreno
      Hey guys, what's up with Putin over there? Any word on why he's firing his staff?

      Also, what are you all hearing about the upcoming presidential election in the U.S.? What's Itar-Tass reporting?
      Again need to agree with Andrey :thumb:

      Putin is a very flexible pilitician even in comparison with the leaders of the old Western democraties. His decisions are always weighted and studied. In comparison with him, both Gorbachev and Yeltsin are looking like sluggish dinosaurs.

      I often hear a wails of western mass-media about the final of democracy in russia and upcoming dictature. I need to remind then that the regime in Russia both in the end of 1980s (Gorbachev's era) and in 1990s (Yeltsin's period) CAN'T BE CALLED A DEMOCRACY AT ALL!!! Gorbachev's era is very unpopular here for his unwarrantable soft and inconsequent both domestic and foreign policy.
      Yeltsin's era initially can't be called a democratic one!
      I can call this the period of Russia's robbery using pseudo-democratic rhetoric by a group of people generally called a "president's family"! This period is much close to anarchy than to democracy!!!!!

      The real democracy is starting in Russia only now! To my mind some western democracies need to learn much from Russia's experience. Otherwise they can wake up in their countries been captured by world terrorists.

      First of all I mean terroristic bases in Europe named Kosovo and Bosnia. Not much info here about what exists now there, but all information I obtain is similar to Chechen "independance" scenario.

      Returning to mass-media freedom. Can anybody imagine American journalist speaking with Ousama or with his nearest followers????????
      But recently I can see a reporter of "Freedom" radio-station Babitsky famous for his contacts with terrorists in Chechnya discussing Chechen problems with Russian piliticians on one of the talk-shoes on all-Russian TV channel!!!

      Imagine such a guy speaking with J. Kerry, fo example

      :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
      If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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      • #4
        Very interesting, gentlemen.

        Here's a couple of news tidbits from Jane's (www.janes.com):

        Europe's Russian headache

        FINALLY it is official: the EU has admitted that its relations with Russia are now at an all-time low. Many issues are now bedevilling relations, and no solution appears in sight. Publicly, EU bureaucrats continue to claim that all is well and that current negotiations with Moscow are proceeding "as expected"; in private, the same officials told Foreign Report that the dispute with Moscow is now escalating beyond their control. Here is our exclusive report on what is going on. It contains vital information not available in the conventional media.

        [Jane's Foreign Report - first posted to http://www.foreignreport.com - 24 February 2004]



        Event: Russian President Vladimir Putin has dismissed Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov ahead of presidential elections scheduled for 14 March 2004.

        Significance: Dismissing his government during a live television broadcast, President Vladimir Putin has taken both Russia and the international community by surprise. Critics suggest that this is a pre-emptive strike designed to allow the president to consolidate his overwhelming grip on power by installing a group of hardline loyalists ahead of the March presidential election.

        [Jane's Intelligence Digest - first posted to http://jid.janes.com - 25 February 2004]

        Yea, that's how I remember Itar-Tass, but I guess you may have more newspapers there now, eh?
        Stay Alert, Stay Alive!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jim H. Moreno
          Very interesting, gentlemen.

          Here's a couple of news tidbits from Jane's (www.janes.com):

          Europe's Russian headache

          FINALLY it is official: the EU has admitted that its relations with Russia are now at an all-time low. Many issues are now bedevilling relations, and no solution appears in sight. Publicly, EU bureaucrats continue to claim that all is well and that current negotiations with Moscow are proceeding "as expected"; in private, the same officials told Foreign Report that the dispute with Moscow is now escalating beyond their control. Here is our exclusive report on what is going on. It contains vital information not available in the conventional media.

          [Jane's Foreign Report - first posted to http://www.foreignreport.com - 24 February 2004]
          To my mind, the Europe is trying to force Russia to play by its own rules. Of course, they are profitable for Europe, but according to our mass-media this will lead to 300,000 euro of losses each year for Russia.
          I can say that such a pressure meets very negative reaction here among common citizens.
          I think that European must first of all look after human rights watching in Baltic countries. To my mind there exists an alloy of democracy with nationalism. The forehead is democratic, but in reality there exists a strong discrimination of Russians.
          It's Baltic know-how - passports of non-citizens

          Event: Russian President Vladimir Putin has dismissed Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov ahead of presidential elections scheduled for 14 March 2004.

          Significance: Dismissing his government during a live television broadcast, President Vladimir Putin has taken both Russia and the international community by surprise. Critics suggest that this is a pre-emptive strike designed to allow the president to consolidate his overwhelming grip on power by installing a group of hardline loyalists ahead of the March presidential election.

          [Jane's Intelligence Digest - first posted to http://jid.janes.com - 25 February 2004]

          Yea, that's how I remember Itar-Tass, but I guess you may have more newspapers there now, eh? [/B]
          I think that the significance of this action is too overestimated. We even can't see any difference between the situation before and after dismissing.
          Again mass-media are making this a top news....

          I want a top news to be hunting after Basaev, Maskhadov and Berezovskiy
          If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by amvas
            I want a top news to be hunting after Basaev, Maskhadov and Berezovskiy
            I know I am an idiot. ... but .. who are those guys? :quest:
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ER Chaser
              I know I am an idiot. ... but .. who are those guys? :quest:
              Basaev and Maskhadov are Chechen bandit leaders, they took part in organization of mass hostage capturing in Moscow in "Nord-Ost" show in October of 2002.

              Berezovskiy is famous Russian olygarch, Russian police tried to arrest his for crimes but he runned away in Britain, Britain protected his as political refugee. He is enemy of Putin and gives money for any opposition of Putin.

              You can to know more if you will read "Russia vs Terrorists in Chechnia" thread in this forum.

              http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...=&threadid=319

              [slightly corrected by moderator]

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jim H. Moreno
                Very interesting, gentlemen.

                Here's a couple of news tidbits from Jane's (www.janes.com):

                Europe's Russian headache

                FINALLY it is official: the EU has admitted that its relations with Russia are now at an all-time low. Many issues are now bedevilling relations, and no solution appears in sight. Publicly, EU bureaucrats continue to claim that all is well and that current negotiations with Moscow are proceeding "as expected"; in private, the same officials told Foreign Report that the dispute with Moscow is now escalating beyond their control. Here is our exclusive report on what is going on. It contains vital information not available in the conventional media.

                [Jane's Foreign Report - first posted to http://www.foreignreport.com - 24 February 2004]



                Event: Russian President Vladimir Putin has dismissed Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov ahead of presidential elections scheduled for 14 March 2004.

                Significance: Dismissing his government during a live television broadcast, President Vladimir Putin has taken both Russia and the international community by surprise. Critics suggest that this is a pre-emptive strike designed to allow the president to consolidate his overwhelming grip on power by installing a group of hardline loyalists ahead of the March presidential election.

                [Jane's Intelligence Digest - first posted to http://jid.janes.com - 25 February 2004]

                Yea, that's how I remember Itar-Tass, but I guess you may have more newspapers there now, eh?
                1. About EU...

                I am not specialist in this question...

                TV news do not speak about it.

                As I know problems:

                Countries of Eastern Europe are coming in EU and all trade agreements between these countries and Russia have to be rewritten. It is not good for Russia.

                Chechnya - EU position is stupid (opinion of most population), it protects Chechen terrorists and irritates Russian population.

                Moldova - EU broke agreement between Pridnestrovskaya Republic (East part of Moldova) and Moldova. Population of Pridnestrovskaya Republic is mainly Russians, in start of 90th years it was large conflict between Russians and Moldavians in Moldova with using of local troops, powerful Russian troops went in field between opposing sides and with threat of weapon's using stopped conflict. EU and USA wanted to remove Russian troops from Moldova, Russia is afraid that in this case conflict can to repeat. Russia organized agreement between Pridnestrovskaya Republic and Moldova, but Eu and USA made pressure on president of Moldova and agrrement was broken.

                2. About prime-minister...

                Changing of prime-minister was far long ago predicted event, it was not large surprise.

                Putin said that he wants to show for people who will be his new prime-minister if people will votes for him.

                And to have loyal prime-minister is not crime - ;-).

                3. Itar-TASS is not newspaper, it is information agency like Associated Press (AP), France Press (FP), United Press International (UPI) and so on.

                There are other Russian infarmation agencies - for example, "Interfax" and RIA "Novosti".

                TASS (translation - Telegraph Agency of soviet Union) was alone Soviet Information Agency.

                ITAR means Information Telegraph Agency of Russia

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ER Chaser
                  I know I am an idiot. ... but .. who are those guys? :quest:
                  A small addition to Andrey's notes. Beresovskiy is suspected to supply bandits in Chechnia with money

                  There existed an old anekdot:
                  A man every morning buys a newspaper, watch its title page and thn throw it away. He's asked- what are you waiting for?
                  - The obituary
                  - But they are published on the last page???????
                  -Yeah, but that one I'm waiting for which will be published on the first one....


                  (If you can't got the humor, I'll specify - in all the time the obituaries of all Soviet leaders were published on the first pages of all newspapers. I consider that's true for a western leaders too)

                  Now I also look like this man, waiting for obituaries of the named persons (except throwing off the newspaper. Commonly I read it all )
                  One obituary - Khattab's I just found a year ago!
                  (Khattab- one of the most famous arabian terrorists operated in Chechnia. Was connected with bin Laden. Responsible for much terroristic attacks in Russia)
                  If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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                  • #10
                    Andrey, You also missed RBC (rbc.ru). strana.ru, gazeta.ru, Lenta.ru, Lenty.ru, regions.ru, Izvestia (izv.ru) and much others
                    If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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                    • #11
                      thx ...
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                      • #12
                        May be, it will be interesting for you.

                        In last time modern Russian patriotic TV many series movies are very popular in Russia.

                        Main heroes of these movies - policemen, military men, Russian Secret Servece agents, Frontier Gurds soldiers and officers and so one.

                        And it is not state propaganda, modern people like to see such movieis now (in 90th it was impossible, people couldn't like such movies).

                        Quality of these movies is relatively good, even excellent very often.

                        It means that there are huge differencies in people's mind in Russia for years of Putins rule (it is not only Putin's influence, it is society mind changings), people wants reinforcing of State.

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                        • #13
                          Thread been split

                          Guys, I split this thread to make a new: "Baltic discussion"
                          http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...=&threadid=518
                          If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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                          • #14
                            I moved this to the other thread

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Andrey
                              May be, it will be interesting for you.

                              In last time modern Russian patriotic TV many series movies are very popular in Russia.

                              Main heroes of these movies - policemen, military men, Russian Secret Servece agents, Frontier Gurds soldiers and officers and so one.

                              And it is not state propaganda, modern people like to see such movieis now (in 90th it was impossible, people couldn't like such movies).

                              Quality of these movies is relatively good, even excellent very often.

                              It means that there are huge differencies in people's mind in Russia for years of Putins rule (it is not only Putin's influence, it is society mind changings), people wants reinforcing of State.
                              exactly almost the same sequence is happening in China.

                              I think this is a nature circle of group emotions.
                              Attn to ALL my opponents:

                              If you sent me your turn and after 24 hours, you still did not get anything from me, please be sure to post in the forum to ask for what is going on.

                              Remember, I ALWAYS reply within 24 hours, even if I do NOT have time to play my turn, in which case I will at least send you email to tell you that I will have to play it later, but I DO receive your turn.

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