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  • #31
    Joh Ellis offers some statistics in his book Brute Force (an analysis of the various Allies against Germany). Here are his numbers for German & Soviet aircraft manufactored. Lend Lease aircraft are not included.

    Fighters German USSR
    1943 10,898 14,950
    1944 25,285 17,193
    1945 4,936 8,849

    Ground Attack
    1943 3,266 11,177
    1944 5,496 11,100
    1945 1,104 5,484

    Bombers
    1943 4,649 4,074
    1944 2,287 4,186
    1945 2,085

    Jet
    1944 1,041
    1945 947

    Transport
    1943 1,028 3,744
    1944 443 5,508
    1945 2,885

    Here are Ellis's estimates of front line strength. Lend Lease aircraft are included. German numbers are for Eastern Front only.
    German USSR
    Feb 1943 1,800 3,250
    Jun 1943 2,500 8,300
    Sep1943 1,750 8,000
    Jan 1944 1,800 8,300
    Jun 1944 2,100 11,800
    Jan 1945 1,900 14,500
    Apr 1945 1,500 16,000

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    • #32
      Originally posted by TRDG View Post
      So, what did the Russians really think of the German air force, did it change much over the war as the years went by, more lack of German pilot skill, less planes, but more concentrated? Also, were there a lot of Russian air raids on German airfields, and vise versa throughout the war?

      Cheers, good reading here, I'm learning a lot!!

      Tom
      Yes, the Soviets attacked German airfields.

      Also the Soviets had Long-Range Aircraft which had heavy bombers and bombed targets in deep German rears.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Andrey View Post
        Yes, the Soviets attacked German airfields.

        Also the Soviets had Long-Range Aircraft which had heavy bombers and bombed targets in deep German rears.
        There was a raid on Berlin on June 24, 1941. Like the Russian analog of the Dolittle Raid...not many people know about it.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Andrey View Post
          Yes, the Soviets attacked German airfields.

          Also the Soviets had Long-Range Aircraft which had heavy bombers and bombed targets in deep German rears.
          Yeap, there was a raid on Berlin on June 24, 1941. Like the Russian analog of the Dolittle Raid...not many people know about it.

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          • #35
            1.I am not sure Elli's numbers are correct.

            2. The Germans used concetrated groups of aircraft that wandered between hot points of the Soviet-German Front. The Soviet aircraft was distributed along the whole frontline.

            For example, famous Pokryshkin, the best Soviet ace, didn't take part in the Kursk Battle. His unit operated in the south in that time.

            So 2,500/8,300 ratio in Jun 1943 doesn't mean the Soviets had too much supremacy over Kursk. Only local Soviet air units operated over Kursk against the best Luftwaffe forces of the Eastern Front. in this case 2500 means the most of them fought over Kursk.

            In 1941-43 the signifiant part of Soviet pilots were green novices who could take off and land only. The USSR had no time for training of pilots. Many pilots had no time to learn before they were shot down.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Emil_G View Post
              There was a raid on Berlin on June 24, 1941. Like the Russian analog of the Dolittle Raid...not many people know about it.
              Yes, you are right. But it was not a raid, it ws a set of a few raids.

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              • #37
                How many?

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                • #38
                  look this

                  http://www.ruscico.com/dvd.php?lang=en&dvd=401

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Emil_G View Post
                    How many?
                    About 10

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                    • #40
                      All on June 24?

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                      • #41
                        Book recommendations in English for the women pilots:

                        Wings, Women, and War by Reina Pennington
                        A Dance With Death by Anne Noggle

                        Pennington's book is more academic, Noggle's book more anecdotal. They make excellent companions as the interviews and first hand accounts in Noggle's book work very well with Pennington's research into the nitty-gritty of unit histories. Both books deal mostly with the all-female 586th, 587th, and 588th "Raskova's Regiments" but they also have information on women in predominantly male squadrons.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Andrey View Post
                          1.I am not sure Elli's numbers are correct.
                          Perhaps not. I am too lazy to walk across the room and refresh my memory of his sources. Other numbers for comparison would be welcome.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Emil_G View Post
                            All on June 24?
                            No. For a week or a couple every night Soviet bombers flew to bomb Berlin. Then the Germans approached and captured the island in the Baltic Sea from which the Soviet bombers operated and the raids were stopped. (The Germans knew about the island and specially captured it to stop the raids)

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                            • #44
                              AFAIK the RedCross\Black Star books are not going to continue. However, chris Bergstrom is following up with another series on the airwar. Check Amazon for titles and availability.

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                              • #45
                                Red Star/Black Cross

                                Originally posted by grognard View Post
                                AFAIK the RedCross\Black Star books are not going to continue. However, chris Bergstrom is following up with another series on the airwar. Check Amazon for titles and availability.
                                What a shame! I have all the current volumes and was really looking forward to the later ones. The subject deserves more attention from writers.

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