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  • Russian view of Ju-290 flights to Manchuria

    It was suggested to me a while ago that I needed to post here and listen to the views of Russians about evidence for long range flights by Nazi Ju-290 aircraft.

    Apart from folk history, the Stalin regime collected a lot of information to accuse the West of complicity with the Nazis at the end of the war.

    Do the Russian members here have any views on long range flights by Ju-290 aircraft, Ju-390 or Bv 222 aircraft ?

    A Polish diplomat claimed to have witnessed a Ju-390 being dismantled in Uraguay at the end of WW2. Has anyone here any thoughts or information on that please ?
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    Three Ju-290 aircraft were withdrawn from millitary service during the war to fly long range missions to China. These were:

    Werke nr J900183, Ju290-A7 markings KR+LP
    Werke nr J900182, Ju290-A9, markings KR+LM
    Werke nr J900185, Ju290-A7 markings KR+LN

    They were then recoded:

    KR+LP as T9+WK
    KR+LM as T9+UK
    KR+LN as T9+VK

    The aircraft were stripped of all armament, modified with extra fuel tanks and adopted new civil identities with Deutsch Luft Hansa (DLH)

    Up until the fall of Stallingrad they appear to have flown communications missions from Odessa to Ninghsia until the fall of Stalingrad or late 1942 thereabouts.

    For some time after this they apparently also flew to Ninghsia from Milec, Poland. T9+WK appears to have been lost on a mission over Russia.

    The aircraft were also later used by KG200 with the following markings:

    T9+VK became KG200's A3+BB
    T9+UK became KG200's A3+AB (lost over Russia)

    T9+VK/A3+BB was the only survivor. It was damaged in a hanger at Finsterwalde by Allied fighters whilst in civil markings sometime around Feb 1944. It was later scrapped in April 1944 at Travemunde.

    Do our Russian friends know anything about the two Ju-290s lost over Russia please ?
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    • #3
      There is a Soviet movie about the flight of a Ju-290 to Manchuria through Soviet territory.

      http://www.petershop.com/catalogue/v...k-pantery.html

      I have seen it very long time ago.

      Here what is written in Russian there

      Hitler sent his representative to Tokyo to hasten the joing of Japan to the war againstthe USSR. His plane's path was through Kazakhstan territory where it was to refuel (in a remote region of steppe). The operation had code name "Panther". The [NKVD] operational group of Captain Kadyrov was ordered to find and neutralize the German saboteurs who were to provide tha landing of the plane
      Last edited by Andrey; 20 Feb 08, 07:48.

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      • #4
        There is a reverse story, that a Japanese aircrew attempted to fly from Singapore, to Afganistan to refuel, and then to German territory, possibly by way of Turkey. According to the story the aircraft was not seen again.

        Perhaps my ignorance of aviation hinders me here, but it seem a route from Singapore is not the best. What would be the advantages of that route vs starting from a Japanese airbase in China?

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        • #5
          The way I heard it, the flights were from the Crimea to China, which might explain why the Germans held on to a doomed outpost for half a year longer than they should have.
          "Why is the Rum gone?"

          -Captain Jack

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          • #6
            The flight from Singapore was by a Japanese Tachikawa Ki-74.

            Yes I had heard something about insertion of spies or sabatours with landings in the Russian steppes.

            The aircraft destroyed in operation Panther may have been T9+WK.

            It would make sense that Japan became nervous of overflights by German military aircraft after that date.

            Are there any websites about the "Panther mission ?"
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            • #7
              Andrey I am interested to see that the planes actually refueled in Kazakhstan. I have been unable to find any references in English.

              Please could you find out more for me ?

              Also do you know the date for this ambush of a Ju-290 ?

              The Nazis were trying to arouse an uprising by the local population there. I have read that Stalin interned 853,000 ethnic German Soviet citizens in Kazakstan during the war.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Simon_G View Post
                Andrey I am interested to see that the planes actually refueled in Kazakhstan. I have been unable to find any references in English.

                Please could you find out more for me ?

                Also do you know the date for this ambush of a Ju-290 ?

                The Nazis were trying to arouse an uprising by the local population there. I have read that Stalin interned 853,000 ethnic German Soviet citizens in Kazakstan during the war.
                I haven't find anything after a little efforts.

                About an uprising... The Germans tried to do it practically everywhere but they failed. I haven't seen something was in Kazakhstan. Etnic Germans - yes, Stalin interned Soviet citizens of German nationality further from the frontline area but it was not only in Kazakhstan. I don't know the exact number. But it doesn't mean they were pro-Nazi biased. Many of them were patriots of the USSR, some of them fought in frontline.

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                • #9
                  Ju-290s flew into Iraq long into the war.

                  When the Italians flew to japan the first flight was from the Crimea to Ninxia, but there was a second failed Italian attempt which landed in Kabul.

                  I also read that Indian independence activist Subhas Chandra was met at the Kyhber Pass by Brandenbergers flown in to Afghanistan. Chandra may have been flown back to Germany from Kabul. There was also a brigade of indians paradropped back into India, but from where ?

                  The Indians trained by Germany must have come either from Italy or from Burma. If they came from Burma then it suggests flights from China to Japan.

                  Indians fighting for the Japanese were based in Manchuria during the war.

                  Was there a refueling stop in Iraq or Afghanistan ?
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