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    Alex,

    Good day:

    1) Finally heard answer from bank. Lost order AND lost my money. Will be sending new one today so you should receive information from me off-forum sometime next week.

    2) You better set up a new page on your site: Operational Army Lists.
    Michael Avanzini and I are translating all 36 volumes of the list. I am translating it and Michael is proof-reading it. We are also putting in the changes, both from the back of the list, the hand-written ones and the directives from 1996 and 1998.
    We're working on the smallest first, then gradually working way up. I have sent to Michael No.s: 1, 2, 9, 15, and 16 for proof-reading and I am curretly working on No. 14. Once I get it back from Michael, I will send them to you. We will need to verify the correct translation of the Russian narrative in the front of each list (1-2 pages) and if you want to proof-read it also.

    I can convert them to PDF formats if you cannot.

    Lastly, we are leaving No. 5 (Rifle Divisions) and No.6 (Cavalry, Tank, Airborne, Artillery, AAA, Aviation Divisions) for last since we will be verifying the information in the Divisions with the other Lists. We already found out that some of the Rifle Divisions do not show when their Anti-Tank battalions convert over to the SU Battalions, but if you go to the Artillery Battalion list (No. 31) you can see them.

    Once all of the Lists are complete, we're still debating wheather or not to add to the Lists (sort of a "Modified List"). For example, we know that most units assigned to Rifle Divisions are also listed in other Lists (Artillery Regiments, Reconnaissance, Machinegun, Anti-Tank, Sapper, Signal, and Vehicle Transport Battalions) but not the Rifle Regiments assigned to Divisions. Also, adding to No. 28 all of the Divisional Medical-Sanitation Battalions (yes, surprisingly, they are not there).

    Lastly, the major assistance from you will be to attempt to acquire the missing pages from them, plus if possible the General Staff Directives showing changes that someone had written in (I know from 1974, 1981 and 1984 for sure). I know pages 1-10 from No. 1 are missing, as several others.

    Any questions?

    konev

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    Hi, Craig!

    Glad to hear you!

    Originally posted by Konev View Post
    Alex,

    Good day:

    1) Finally heard answer from bank. Lost order AND lost my money. Will be sending new one today so you should receive information from me off-forum sometime next week.
    Ok, waiting for your info.
    (don't forget about your home address)

    2) You better set up a new page on your site:
    Operational Army Lists.
    Michael Avanzini and I are translating all 36 volumes of the list. I am translating it and Michael is proof-reading it. We are also putting in the changes, both from the back of the list, the hand-written ones and the directives from 1996 and 1998.
    cool!
    I think we can put them on "formations" page.

    We're working on the smallest first, then gradually working way up. I have sent to Michael No.s: 1, 2, 9, 15, and 16 for proof-reading and I am curretly working on No. 14. Once I get it back from Michael, I will send them to you.
    Ok

    We will need to verify the correct translation of the Russian narrative in the front of each list (1-2 pages) and if you want to proof-read it also.
    I'd like, but I can't promise knowing my heavy problems with free time...

    I can convert them to PDF formats if you cannot.
    I'm universal specialist...
    The only problem not always PDF conversion is correct. However in mos cases it works good.

    Lastly, we are leaving No. 5 (Rifle Divisions) and No.6 (Cavalry, Tank, Airborne, Artillery, AAA, Aviation Divisions) for last since we will be verifying the information in the Divisions with the other Lists. We already found out that some of the Rifle Divisions do not show when their Anti-Tank battalions convert over to the SU Battalions, but if you go to the Artillery Battalion list (No. 31) you can see them.
    I also noticed one page in Rifle Division Perechen was missed.

    Once all of the Lists are complete, we're still debating wheather or not to add to the Lists (sort of a "Modified List"). For example, we know that most units assigned to Rifle Divisions are also listed in other Lists (Artillery Regiments, Reconnaissance, Machinegun, Anti-Tank, Sapper, Signal, and Vehicle Transport Battalions) but not the Rifle Regiments assigned to Divisions. Also, adding to No. 28 all of the Divisional Medical-Sanitation Battalions (yes, surprisingly, they are not there).
    Hmmm... Maybe it's better to do this as hypertext documents?

    Lastly, the major assistance from you will be to attempt to acquire the missing pages from them, plus if possible the General Staff Directives showing changes that someone had written in (I know from 1974, 1981 and 1984 for sure). I know pages 1-10 from No. 1 are missing, as several others.

    Any questions?

    konev
    My opportunities to acquire missed pages are quite limited.
    Only Condor can work in TsAMO. Other researchers are weak enough to do this. I think it's better to collect the listing of missed pages and ask Ivlev to fill in that blanks


    Regards
    Alex
    If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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    • #3
      Alex,

      ok. But I think you better post the request. Your Russian is better than mine.

      I have the missing Rifle Division page (I think), but I think one of the VVS lists have about 10 pages missing.

      You might as well get started on Ivlev's forum and ask if you can get a copy of pages 1-10 from List No. 1.

      And if possible the Directives from 1981 and 1984 and maybe 1974.

      konev

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      • #4
        WOW! all 36 volumes

        This will fill in a big portion of missing data; you guys need to get a medal for this.

        Dann

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        • #5
          FYI,

          I worked it out and if there are no major catastrophies (EMP pulse, computer crash, Dr Sinister's clones being exterminated and replaced by Dr. Strangelove's, etc.) the translation of the set will be complete sometime in late 2016 (yep, 9 years) averaging 2-3 pages a day.

          The problem is with the the five largest ones, plus the two Divisional ones(5,6). The five largest will take about 6-7 months each and you figure at least that long for the Divisional ones since we have to go through and verify the data between the lists.

          konev

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          • #6
            Very dedicated!!

            Good to see that from a fellow Wisconisite, or shall I say Cheesehead!!

            TRDG

            Cheers, have any Holiday Point beer yet in Mad town?

            Tom

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            • #7
              Going back in about a month.

              I bleed Green and Gold. 3 games in 12 days (Panthers, Lions, Cowpunks).

              konev

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              • #8
                WOW! My hat's off to you people.

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                • #9
                  Grog,

                  No hats off yet. Still have to get the first ones down and posted.

                  Will probably need some Grog after this, both to rest and to celebrate our HSU/HRF.

                  konev

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                  • #10
                    OK, I'll keep my hat on, but have grog or whatever it takes, and for now, you at least get an A for effort.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Konev View Post
                      Alex,

                      ok. But I think you better post the request. Your Russian is better than mine.

                      I have the missing Rifle Division page (I think), but I think one of the VVS lists have about 10 pages missing.

                      You might as well get started on Ivlev's forum and ask if you can get a copy of pages 1-10 from List No. 1.

                      And if possible the Directives from 1981 and 1984 and maybe 1974.

                      konev

                      Maybe lets wait until collecting information about all the gaps?
                      I'm not sure Ivlev can fill in himself...

                      Regards
                      Alex
                      If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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                      • #12
                        Alex,

                        I will start putting together two lists. One consisting of all the missing pages (plus No. 10), the other will be a list of all the General Staff Directives that concerned changes to the original Lists.

                        If he put up the ones from 1996 and 1998, its only fair that he try to get the other Directives.

                        konev

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                        • #13
                          Gentlemen,

                          Here's an important update.

                          For some reason, Michael and I are seeing problems using tables in MS Word. They are acting as if they (the table) are corrupted.

                          Therefore, we are switching over all the material to MS Excel. We don't have to worry about running over margins, most of the unit information will be on one line and the size of the file will be 1/10 the size in MS Word.

                          This will put us back about a month (maybe). I will let you know when we have caught up and where we are in the schedule.

                          Also, I will try on a unit's entry to post both the original notation and the changes ordered by subsequent Directives.

                          konev

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                          • #14
                            Gentlemen,

                            We're caught back up on the Operational Army list. In fact, we're slightly ahead (about 3 months).

                            Alex has posted No. 1 and No. 2 on his website. Michael is working on proof-reading No. 9, 16, 15, 14. I should have No. 30 done on my end by Monday, 10 December and finish up No. 3 by December 17th. Then I will start on No. 12 (VVS Aviation Regiments) and the NKVD list. I would have No. 3 done also by the 10th, but I am going to do things a little different. Some of the sub-units listed in No. 3 under the Aviation Basing Region section can be verified and sorted out in the other lists, most notably No. 22 (Signals), No. 26 (Transport), No. 24 (VVS other units) and maybe No. 31 (AA MG Companies).
                            The ABR section is really lacking some information which I am sure can be verified going this route.

                            konev

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                            • #15
                              Hi, Craig!

                              Thx for the info...

                              Regards
                              Alex
                              If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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