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    Hi, I'm looking for the Soviet Number of the diferent types of combat groups.
    "Cada bala puede cambiar el destino".

  • #2
    What do you mean by "combat groups"?

    There's a huge number of different types. You need to be more specific.

    konev

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    • #3
      Yes, I'm talking aboute combat groups.

      And i'm looking for any combat group you have,for example how was composed a "Soviet Front".
      "Cada bala puede cambiar el destino".

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      • #4
        Sentry,

        First, a Soviet "Front" had no specific organization. They were tasked-organized to meet their mission requirements.

        Secondly, if you want to see the monthly order-of-battle for the Soviet Army' combat formations (in Russian), there are several sites that have the complete set on-line. I recommend "Soviet Document in the Great Patriotic War" (http://docs.vif2.ru). Go to the Miscellaneous documents (http://docs.vif2.ru/misc/misc.htm) then scroll down to the bottom. You will see some files with "1941, 1942, 1943, 1944, 1945" in them. Those are the complete year.

        Lastly, as to the number of formations and units of each type, that is still being worked on. You see, another Russian web-site just put up 35 volumes of a 36 volume set in Russian of every formation and unit (including the service units) that was in the Operational Army during the war. The Operational Army was defined as the Eastern Front between 22 June 1941 and 11 May 1945 and the war with Japan between 9 August and 3 September 1945. It did not include those assigned to Stavka Reserve and only some of those assigned to the Military Districts, PVO Strany and Long-Range Aviation. Its going to take a long while to translate everything (I just finished counting the pages and there are 6,400 of them!!!). Below you will find a list of the type of formations in only the first 7 volumes. If you want to go to the site, see the other order of battle message for detailed instructions for downloading.

        Here's the list through No. 7:
        Appendix No. 2 to General Staff Directive No. D-043 of 18 July 1970 (List No.1: Field Headquarters of Main Command Directions, Fronts, Groups of Forces and organs of Fleet Headquarters, included in the composition of the Operational Army in the years of the Great Patriotic War 1941 – 1945)
        [10 pages]

        I. FIELD HEADQUARTERS OF MAIN COMMAND DIRECTIONS
        II. FIELD HEADQUARTERS OF FRONTS AND GROUPS OF FORCES
        III. STAFFS AND ORGANS OF FLEET HEADQUARTERS
        IV. HEADQUARTERS PVO FRONTS

        Appendix No. 3 to General Staff Directive No. D-043 of 18 July 1970 (List No. 2: Headquarters of Combined Arms, Tank, Air and Sapper Armies, PVO Armies, Military Districts and organs of Flotilla Headquarters, included in the composition of the Operational Army in the years of the Great Patriotic War 1941 – 1945)
        [20 pages]

        I. FIELD HEADQUARTERS OF COMBINED ARMS ARMIES
        II. FIELD HEADQUARTERS OF TANK ARMIES
        III. HEADQUARTERS OF AIR ARMIES
        IV. HEADQUARTERS OF SAPPER ARMIES
        V. FIELD HEADQUARTERS OF ARMIES OF POLISH FORCES
        VI. HEADQUARTERS OF MILITARY DISTRICTS
        VII. STAFFS AND ORGANS OF FLOTILLA HEADQUARTERS
        VIII. HEADQUARTERS OF PVO ARMIES

        Appendix to General Staff Directive No. 168780 of 18 June 1956 (List No. 3: Field Headquarters, Main Commands, Headquarters of Operational Groups, Defensive Regions, Fortified Regions, and Aviation Base Regions, included in the composition of the Operational Army in the years of the Great Patriotic War 1941 – 1945)
        [92 pages]

        I. FIELD HEADQUARTERS, MAIN COMMANDS
        II. HEADQUARTERS, OPERATIONAL GROUPS
        1. Combined Arms
        2. Headquarters, Cavalry Operational Groups
        3. Headquarters, Tank and Mechanized Operational Groups
        4. Headquarters, Artillery Groups
        5. Headquarters, Guards Mortar elements (GMCh)
        6. Headquarters, Aviation Groups
        а) Reserve Aviation Groups
        б) Shock Aviation Groups
        III. HEADQUARTERS, DEFENSIVE REGIONS
        IV. HEADQUARTERS, FORTIFIED REGIONS
        V. HEADQUARTERS, AVIATION BASE REGIONS

        Appendix to General Staff Directive No. 168780 of 18 June 1956 (List No. 4: Corps Headquarters, that entered the composition of the Active Army in the Years of the Great Patriotic War 1941 – 1945)
        [151 pages]

        I. HEADQUARTERS, RIFLE CORPS
        II. GUARDS RIFLE CORPS
        III. HEADQUARTERS, MECHANIZED CORPS
        IV. GUARDS MECHANIZED CORPS
        V. HEADQUARTERS, TANK CORPS
        VI. GUARDS TANK CORPS
        VII. HEADQUARTERS, ARTILLERY CORPS
        VIII. HEADQUARTERS, CAVALRY CORPS
        IX. GUARDS CAVALRY CORPS
        X. HEADQUARTERS, AVIATION CORPS
        а) Long-Range Bomber Aviation Corps in 1941
        б) Bomber Aviation Corps
        в) Mixed Aviation Corps
        г) Assault Aviation Corps
        д) Fighter Aviation Corps
        XI. HEADQUARTERS, AIRBORNE CORPS
        XII. HEADQUARTERS, SPECIAL CORPS FOR RAILROAD FORCES 22 JUNE 1941 – 16 SEPT. 1941

        Appendix No. 3 to General Staff Directive No. D-043 of 18 July 1970 (List No. 5: Rifle, Mountain Rifle, Motorized Rifle and Motorized Divisions, that entered the composition of the Active Army in the Years of the Great Patriotic War 1941 – 1945)
        [218 pages]

        I. RIFLE AND MOUNTAIN RIFLE DIVISIONS
        II. GUARDS RIFLE AND MOTORIZED RIFLE DIVISIONS
        III. MOTORIZED RIFLE AND MOTORIZED DIVISIONS
        IV. RIFLE DIVISIONS OF THE PEOPLE’S MILITIA
        а) Moscow
        b) Leningrad
        V. CRIMEA, POLYARNYI, PETROZAVODSK DIVISIONS AND DIVISION OF THE REBOL’SK
        DIRECTION
        VI. RESERIVE RIFLE DIVISIONS

        Appendix to General Staff Directive No. 168780 of 18 June 1956 (List No. 6: Cavalry, Tank, Airborne and Headquarters, Artillery, Anti-Aircraft Artillery, Mortar, Aviation and Destroyer Divisions, that entered the composition of the Active Army in the Years of the Great Patriotic War 1941 – 1945)
        [77 pages]

        I. CAVALRY AND MOUNTAIN CAVAILRY DIVISIONS
        II. TANK DIVISIONS
        III. GUARDS AIRBORNE DIVISIONS
        IV. ARTILLERY DIVISIONS
        V. HEADQUARTERS, ANTI-AIRCRAFT ARTILLERY DIVISIONS
        VI. HEADQUARTERS, GUARDS MORTAR DIVISIONS
        VII. HEADQUARTERS, AVIATION DIVISIONS
        1. Bomber, Long-Rang Bomber, ‘Blitz’ Bomber, Heavy Bomber and Night Bomber Aviation Divisions
        Guards Bomber and Transport Aviation Divisions
        2. Aviation and Mixed Aviation Divisions
        3. Assault Aviation Divisions
        Guards Assault Aviation Divisions
        4. Fighter Aviation Divisions
        Guards Fighter Aviation Divisions
        VIII. HEADQUARTERS, DESTROYER DIVISIONS

        Appendix to General Staff Directive No. 168780 of 18 June 1956 (List No. 7: Brigade Headquarters including all types of forces, that entered the composition of the Active Army in the Years of the Great Patriotic War 1941 – 1945)
        [131 pages]

        I. HEADQUARTERS, RIFLE BRIGADES
        II. HEADQUARTERS, RESERVE RIFLE BRIGADES
        III. HEADQUARTERS, GUARDS RIFLE BRIGADES
        IV. HEADQUARTERS, SKI BRIGADES
        V. HEADQUARTERS, MOTORIZED RIFLE AND MOTORCYCLE BRIGADES
        VI. HEADQUARTERS, GUARDS MOTORIZED RIFLE BRIGADES
        VII. HEADQUARTERS, MECHANIZED BRIGADES
        VIII. HEADQUARTERS, GUARDS MECHANIZED BRIGADES
        IX. HEADQUARTERS, TANK BRIGADES
        X. HEADQUARTERS, GUARDS TANK BRIGADES
        XI. HEADQUARTERS, SELF-PROPELLED ARTILLERY BRIGADES
        XII. HEADQUARTERS, ARTILLERY BRIGADES
        XIII. HEADQUARTERS, GUARDS ARTILLERY BRIGADES
        XIV. HEADQUARTERS, ANTI-TANK ARTILLERY BRIGADES
        XV. HEADQUARTERS, DESTROYER BRIGADES
        XVI. HEADQUARTERS, DESTROYER-ANTI-TANK BRIGADES
        XVII. HEADQUARTERS, GUARDS DESTROYER-ANTI-TANK BRIGADES
        XVIII. HEADQUARTERS, MORTAR BRIGADES
        XIX. HEADQUARTERS, GUARDS MORTAR BRIGADES
        XX. HEADQUARTERS, ENGINEER BRIGADES
        1. Headquarters, Sapper Brigades
        2. Headquarters, Engineer-Mine Brigades
        3. Headquarters, Engineer-Sapper Brigades
        4. Headquarters, Mountain Mine-Engineer and Mountain Engineer-Sapper Brigades
        5. Headquarters, Assault and Motorized Assault Engineer-Sapper Brigades
        6. Headquarters, Engineer Brigades for Special Assignment and Motorized Engineer brigades
        7. Headquarters, Pontoon Bridge Brigades
        8. Headquarters, HeavyУправления Rear Obstacle Clearing Brigades
        XXI. HEADQUARTERS, AIRBORNE BRIGADES
        XXII. HEADQUARTERS, GUARDS AIRBORNE BRIGADES
        XXIII. HEADQUARTERS, MANEUVER AIRBORNE BRIGADES
        XXIV. HEADQUARTERS, TRAINING-PRACTICE AVIATOIN BRIGADES
        XXV. HEADQUARTERS, VEHICLE, VEHICLE TRANSPORT AND TRACTOR BRIGADES
        XXVI. HEADQUARTERS, RAILROAD BRIGADES
        XXVII. HEADQUARTERS, TECHNICAL BRIGADES AND CHEMICAL DEFENSE BRIGADES
        XXVIII. HEADQUARTERS, TROPHY BRIGADES

        konev

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        • #5
          To Konev:
          Craig, I almost lost hope to contact you about the books prepared for you loooooong ago...
          PM, or e-mail me!!!

          Regards
          Alex
          If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sentry thalako View Post
            Yes, I'm talking aboute combat groups.

            And i'm looking for any combat group you have,for example how was composed a "Soviet Front".
            soviet fronts were composed not from groups, but from armies .
            In some cases some large operative groups having separate misions could be divided. But those were exceptions, but not rules
            check site suggested by Konev, you'll find many interesting things there

            Regards
            Alex
            Last edited by amvas; 11 Oct 07, 23:01.
            If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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            • #7
              Marshall Koniev, thank you very much. I will look for the Combat Group in the topics of this forum. For now, I'm looking only in english, I'm not speak russian (well I only speak Spanish and a little english :P )

              Originally posted by amvas View Post
              soviet fronts were composed not from groups, but from armies .
              In some cases some large operative groups having spearate misions could be divided. But those were exceptions, but not rules
              check site suggested by Lonev, you'll find many interesting things there

              Regards
              Alex
              You are right, and I know that, was only a example.

              I have a question: you know how is the "insignia" of Dimitry Lavrinenko's "Platoon" ?.

              I wanna be a Krasnjoarmeyets, not a recruit :P
              Last edited by sentry thalako; 11 Oct 07, 20:10. Reason: I dont know... cof.
              "Cada bala puede cambiar el destino".

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              • #8
                Sentry,

                Alex has no control on to the rank structure for the Forum. Those are provided by the Armchair General Forum, not the moderators.

                konev

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by sentry thalako View Post
                  I have a question: you know how is the "insignia" of Dimitry Lavrinenko's "Platoon" ?.
                  I found only one photo:


                  I wanna be a Krasnjoarmeyets, not a recruit :P
                  More posts and you'll become a general

                  regards
                  Alex
                  If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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                  • #10
                    Ohh.. I have the photos of Lavrineko, i still searching the insignia Platton or the division insignia.

                    Thanks for all, guys.

                    Za Stalina.
                    "Cada bala puede cambiar el destino".

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                    • #11
                      Oh my head hurts. I don't suppose there is a Bulgarian translation to tide me over until the English is ready?

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                      • #12
                        Hi, this is a Off Topic question:

                        The people who speak russian, do you know what is the meaning of the name "Yavka" or "Yaska"?.
                        "Cada bala puede cambiar el destino".

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sentry thalako View Post
                          Hi, this is a Off Topic question:

                          The people who speak russian, do you know what is the meaning of the name "Yavka" or "Yaska"?.
                          for this sort of questions
                          http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...ad.php?t=43467
                          thread exists!

                          It would be better to give the word in Russian, because there can be variants. Not much though...

                          "Явка"-(Yavka) - secret address ; secret rendezvous; signal for secret rendezvous

                          Regards
                          Alex
                          If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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                          • #14
                            Yavka is the term used by spies to designate a meeting place or it can also mean literally 'to be present'


                            Originally posted by sentry thalako View Post
                            Hi, this is a Off Topic question:

                            The people who speak russian, do you know what is the meaning of the name "Yavka" or "Yaska"?.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sentry thalako View Post
                              Yes, I'm talking aboute combat groups.

                              And i'm looking for any combat group you have,for example how was composed a "Soviet Front".
                              Here is a little simpler answer - Soviet Army Fronts in the WW II were large formations, large enough to conduct their own independent operations. They were often combined into groups - two to four to conduct the major campaigns,e.g in 1944-45 operations the Front typically contained 5-6 combined armies + 1-3 tank armies+1-2 air armies, some extra tank and mechanized corps and large artillery formations - up to 800,000 soldiers, armies were commanded by generals and the whole Front was commanded by marshall - depending of the time of war, STAVKA maintained 10-15 of such formations (and don't ask what is STAVKA)
                              In German organization of things, we can compare Fronts to the Army Groups

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