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  • John Calvin
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    Stalingrad OOB

    Kunikov:

    Thanks for helping a blind man. I found the right place.

    Regards,

    John

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  • Kardon
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    Originally posted by John Calvin View Post
    Can anybody tell me which volume(s) of "VERBANDE UND TRUPPEN DER DEUTSCHEN WEHRMACHT UND WAFFEN SS IM ZWEITEN WELTKRIEG 1939-1945" covers Stalingrad from August 1942 through January 1943? Do the volumes contain OOB information on corps and division, by the day?
    You're talking about Tessin? I believe those are just organizational histories of every unit which fought under German command (including allied). For example, volume 2 is units whose numbers begin with 1 through 5. Volume 3 is units whose numbers begin with 6-14, etc. As far as I know (and I'd like to be proven wrong), these books do not contain OOBs for operations. The entries for units do contain lists of major subordinate units, what higher headquarters the unit itself was subordinate to, and the operations they took part in.

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  • Kunikov
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    John, go to 'order of battle' on the left hand side, click the first '6 Armee' and scroll down until you see the summer months for 1942, there are a few dates with OoB's there which you'll see, here are a few examples:

    Kriegsgliederung der 6.Armee: Stand 08.06.1942
    XVII.AK 294.ID
    XXIX.AK 75.ID, 168.ID, 57.ID
    LI.AK 44.ID, 297.ID, 71.ID, 62.ID
    VIII.AK 336.ID, 113.ID, 305.ID, 79.ID
    XXXX.AK (mot.) 23.PzD, 3.PzD
    III.AK (mot.) 60.ID (mot.), 22.PzD, 16.PzD, 14.PzD
    der Armee direkt unterstellt: 376.ID, 108.ID (ung.), 389.ID
    Nachtrag:

    Kriegsgliederung der 6.Armee: Stand 24.06.1942
    XVII.AK 294.ID, 79.ID, 113.ID
    XXIX.AK 75.ID, 168.ID, 57.ID
    VIII.AK 376.ID, 389.ID, 305.ID
    XXXX.AK (mot.) 23.PzD, 3.PzD, 29.ID (mot.), 336.ID
    der Armee direkt unterstellt: 100.(leichte) ID, Inf.Reg.369 (kroat.)
    Nachtrag:

    Kriegsgliederung der 6.Armee: Stand 04.07.1942
    XVII.AK 294.ID, 79.ID, 113.ID
    XXIX.AK 75.ID, 168.ID, 57.ID
    LI.AK 44.ID, 297.ID, 71.ID, 62.ID
    VIII.AK 389.ID, 376.ID, 305.ID
    XXXX.AK (mot.) 23.PzD, 3.PzD, 100.(leichte) ID, 336.ID, 29.ID (mot.)
    der Armee direkt unterstellt: 376.ID, 108.ID (ung.), 389.ID
    Nachtrag:

    Kriegsgliederung der 6.Armee: Stand 05.08.1942
    XVII.AK 79.ID, 3.it.ID "Celere"
    XIV.AK (mot.) 60.ID (mot.), 16.PzD, 3.ID (mot.)
    LI.AK 44.ID, 295.ID
    VIII.AK 384.ID, 376.ID, 305.ID, 113.ID
    XXIV.AK 24.PzD, 297.ID, 71.ID, 76.ID
    der Armee direkt unterstellt:
    Nachtrag:

    Kriegsgliederung der 6.Armee: Stand 12.08.1942
    XVII.AK 79.ID, 3.it.ID "Celere", 22.PzD, 113.ID, Bers.Reg.6
    XIV.PzK 60.ID (mot.), 16.PzD, 3.ID (mot.)
    LI.AK 44.ID, 71.ID
    XI.AK 100.Jg.Div., Inf.Reg.369 (kroat.)
    VIII.AK 384.ID, 376.ID, 305.ID, 389.ID
    XXIV.PzK 16.ID (mot.), 295.ID
    der Armee direkt unterstellt:
    Nachtrag:

    Kriegsgliederung der 6.Armee: Stand 02.09.1942
    XVII.AK 79.ID, 113.ID, 22.PzD
    XIV.PzK 60.ID (mot.), 16.PzD, 3.ID (mot.), 295.ID
    LI.AK 71.ID, 76.ID
    VIII.AK 384.ID, 389.ID, 305.ID
    XI.AK 44.ID, 100.Jg.Div., 376.ID
    der Armee direkt unterstellt:
    Nachtrag:

    Kriegsgliederung der 6.Armee: Stand 08.10.1942
    VIII.rum.AK 14.ID (rum.), 5.ID (rum.), 1.PzD (rum.), 6.ID (rum.), 13.ID (rum.), 1.Kav.Div.(rum.)
    XIV.PzK 60.ID (mot.), 16.PzD, 3.ID (mot.), 94.ID
    LI.AK 389.ID, 100.Jg.Div., 24.PzD, 295.ID
    VIII.AK 113.ID, 305.ID
    XI.AK 44.ID, 384.ID, 376.ID
    der Armee direkt unterstellt: 71.ID, 76.ID

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  • John Calvin
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    Stalingrad OOB

    Kunikov:

    I may have missed it, but I can not find any OOB information for the Stalingrad period, on this site.

    I have completed all the days in January and some days in August, September, October, November, and December. The OOB includes armeekorps and subordinated divisions. Once I have completed what I can at that level, I will start on regiments and battalions.

    I have ordered the microfilm rolls from NARA containing the kreigstagebuch for the XI.Armeekorps and 24.Panzer-Division during Stalingrad. The armeekorps should provide daily OOB for the korps including divisions and other subordinated units. The division should include regiments and battalions.

    I am looking for as many sources as possible, as there are conflicting reports of unit OOB.

    Regards,

    John

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  • Kunikov
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    http://www.diedeutschewehrmacht.de/

    I think this site will prove useful to you.

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  • Kevin Kenneally
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    John,
    I do not think so.

    But you can assume a unit (Kampgruppen level) could be swapped from one Division to the next for a specific operations.

    Kevin

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  • John Calvin
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    Stalingrad OOB

    Hi:

    Can anybody tell me which volume(s) of "VERBANDE UND TRUPPEN DER DEUTSCHEN WEHRMACHT UND WAFFEN SS IM ZWEITEN WELTKRIEG 1939-1945" covers Stalingrad from August 1942 through January 1943? Do the volumes contain OOB information on corps and division, by the day?

    Regards,

    John

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