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  • Originally posted by Erkki View Post
    So is almost in Sweden right now. We can not kill a pig like we want because we have to have a veterinary surgeon to kill the pig so that we can slaughter it.
    But then we are not allowed to sell the meat.
    We can sell It alive to a slaughter house but the price is quite bad.
    It is the same thing with horses and rain deers.

    We will not be put into jail( I think) but we will have to pay fine.

    And you know who is responsible for it? Not the Warsaw pact but the Eu!
    Bartek, you see people also suffer in Sweden! Comeon! Pull your self together!
    Kind regards
    Igor

    * My grandfathers WW2 memoirs - Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Hungary, 1944-1945.
    * On the question of "2 mil. rapes" by RKKA
    * Verdicts of RKKA Military Tribunals for crimes against civilians in 1945

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    • That sucks! I was raised on a farm here, and if anyone told me not to kill my own chicken, I wouldn't believe it. If that's the case in Sweden now, then it's not hard to believe it also happened in the USSR or especially in a satellite. Of course, the interest of the EU is more ideological than the Soviet which seems more pragmatic. Only kids pretend to like the Soviets because the Moscow shirts and red stars shock their parents, but real, hardcore socialists blame the USSR for preventing world-socialism, as if it truly is the only way.

      and in that sense, communism is none the better than capitalism.
      in order to find the consent within a state we, first off, must get rid of all these ''-isms''.
      Well I agree with that. The difference is that "capitalism" is a state of being and not an ideology in itself. People confuse the two and make a dogmatic loyalty to a so called "free market" the rule of the state, and that means no holds barred capitalism, which is insane. In that case, why not sell everything? That's the problem right now, and the reason why we are dying for private bidders and not fighting for our country. So Trotsky's legacy of a nationless world lives on, ironically, through hyper-capitalists.

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      • Originally posted by Swampwolf View Post
        That sucks! I was raised on a farm here, and if anyone told me not to kill my own chicken, I wouldn't believe it. If that's the case in Sweden now, then it's not hard to believe it also happened in the USSR...
        it certainly didn't happen in the soviet union, because - there were ''muslim republics'' in it.
        over here - it is impossible to ban the muslims from slaughtering their lambs, see.

        also, there was no ban whatsoever on breeding and slaughtering/selling of other cattle.
        so, private farming wasn't banned in the soviet union.

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        • Originally posted by Swampwolf View Post
          ... Trotsky's legacy of a nationless world lives on, ironically, through hyper-capitalists.
          and after all, trotsky was nothing but a tool in hands of then transnational corporations.

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          • Originally posted by stalin View Post
            and after all, trotsky was nothing but a tool in hands of then transnational corporations.
            I think the French and English corporations which had invested in Russia before the revolution and never got their money back would tell you otherwise. To say that any leading bolshevik was a tool of international capitalism is just plain moronic.
            “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…” -1984 about the Big Lie

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            • "and after all, trotsky was nothing but a tool in hands of then transnational corporations."

              Originally posted by Sheik Yerbouti View Post
              I think the French and English corporations which had invested in Russia before the revolution and never got their money back would tell you otherwise. To say that any leading bolshevik was a tool of international capitalism is just plain moronic.
              I think that remark of Stalins was susposed to be a joke. Humor fails in so many ways on the internet.

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              • Originally posted by Carl Schwamberg View Post
                I think that remark of Stalins was susposed to be a joke. Humor fails in so many ways on the internet.
                Smileys help with that. I doubt it was a joke considering Trotsky's image in Russia.
                “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…” -1984 about the Big Lie

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                • Originally posted by Sheik Yerbouti View Post
                  ... To say that any leading bolshevik was a tool of international capitalism is just plain moronic.
                  you guys seem to completely misunderstand what i post !
                  what capitalism ? what ''-ism'', at all ??
                  forget all these ''-isms'' - they're for the kids !

                  i was talking of transnational corporations.
                  and transnational corporations have nothing to do with ''-isms'' themselves.
                  they do merely hire the ''-ists'' and use them as a political tool.
                  so - trotskys, lenins, hitlers are nothing but a hired ''-ists'' that provide images of leadership for the processes of rearrangement of ''spheres of influence''.
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                  Last edited by stalin; 26 May 07, 10:37.

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                  • Originally posted by stalin View Post
                    so - trotskys, lenins, hitlers are nothing but a hired ''-ists'' that provide an images of leadership for the processes of rearrangement of ''spheres of influence''.
                    Ok, I understand what you are trying to say. How was Stalin different then?
                    “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…” -1984 about the Big Lie

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                    • stalin, as well,
                      was just another ''image of the leadership'' used for the rearrangement of ''spheres of influence''.

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                      • k. malevitch - ''black square'' (1915).

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                        • Stalin, be carefull with this kind of art!
                          The people here might get hypnotised.
                          Kind regards
                          Igor

                          * My grandfathers WW2 memoirs - Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Hungary, 1944-1945.
                          * On the question of "2 mil. rapes" by RKKA
                          * Verdicts of RKKA Military Tribunals for crimes against civilians in 1945

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                          • not yet...
                            it's now that they would:
                            k. malevitch - ''suprematism'' (1921-1927)

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                            • Originally posted by Egorka View Post
                              Bartek, you see people also suffer in Sweden! Comeon! Pull your self together!
                              And there are the talons for bread,meat and no toillet paper at any shop.
                              Guerrero contra marxismo

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                              • Originally posted by Bartek View Post
                                And there are the talons for bread,meat and no toillet paper at any shop.
                                Yes, I am sure your self respect suffered much due to lack of toilet paper. Come on! These material things are handy, but thet are not paramount at all. I am sure there were plenty talented people in Poland despite lack of soft tissue. Or do you think free access to the toilet paper would increase the spiritual awareness of people?

                                And, Bartek, could you say if your grand parents could slain a goos or a chicken if they wanted?

                                Regards
                                Igor
                                Kind regards
                                Igor

                                * My grandfathers WW2 memoirs - Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Hungary, 1944-1945.
                                * On the question of "2 mil. rapes" by RKKA
                                * Verdicts of RKKA Military Tribunals for crimes against civilians in 1945

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