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  • Who is Kim? The link does not work for me.
    “For there is nothing more serious than a lunatic when he comes to the central point of his lunacy.”

    Max Sterner

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    • Originally posted by Erkki View Post
      Who is Kim? The link does not work for me.
      north korea's president.

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      • Originally posted by stalin View Post
        ah, now i see...
        well, at least - you guys might have said ''thank you, ruskie/cannon fodder'' now. That would make you more honour, anyway.

        You know the answer, so - why all this hypocrisy? Nazis were ...occupants of Russian territories and - not of those of the USA or Britain. Also, Nazis did remember well - how cruelly they treated Russians.
        We do appreciate your efforts. But as humans not the animals you were treated as under your Totalitarian regime. If Communism and Nazism share one thing, it's the total disregard of the individual at the expense of the State. Totalitarianism. We- in the West- find the Soviet disregard for human life incredible and totally unacceptable.

        The Nazis occupied the Channel Islands, part of Britain. Also the Japanese some of the US Aleutians off Alaska.

        Cruelty- plenty to go around in WWII. But recognize it and own up to it so it doesn't happen again, not just sweep it under a carpet. Or it will happen again.
        Tactics are based on Weapons... Strategy on Movement... and Movement on Supply.
        (J. F. C. Fuller 1878-1966)

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        • Originally posted by stalin View Post
          Because - these ''pesky'' mongoloids are about to take over the world!
          I'm not sure the Chinese will let them.
          Tactics are based on Weapons... Strategy on Movement... and Movement on Supply.
          (J. F. C. Fuller 1878-1966)

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          • Originally posted by General Staff View Post
            ... If Communism and Nazism share one thing, it's the total disregard of the individual at the expense of the State. Totalitarianism. We- in the West- find the Soviet disregard for human life incredible and totally unacceptable...
            it is not the ''soviet'' disregard for human life, it is russian disregard for it.
            we would be russians no more - if we start to value life more than it should be valued.
            because, the self-sacrifice is a necessary component of the existance.
            the ''western'' civilisation - totally bypassed that fact.
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            Last edited by stalin; 22 May 07, 13:51.

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            • Originally posted by General Staff View Post
              I'm not sure the Chinese will let (north koreans take over the world)...
              by ''pesky mongoloids'' - i meant chinese, as well.

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              • Originally posted by stalin View Post
                It is not the ''Soviet'' disregard for human life, it is Russian disregard for it.
                Possibly. But then we're back talking about serfdom (really slavery)->Soviet->Russia today.

                In the West we look at the incredible carnage of some of the assaults in the Winter War- for example. Self sacrifice or bravery are not the first words that spring to mind. More in the West like Verdun in WWI with men saying 'baaa' like sheep as they were put into the line.

                Most Soviet commanders in WWII didn't fight too clever. Political hacks and butchers. Even though Zhukov forced ways through, it was at the expense of a lot of perhaps unnecessary blood. Think Operation Mars. And one could argue Stalingrad- even all of WWII- was German stupidity, not Russian cleverness. Brute force works, but it costs. Now that Manstein and Mannerheim were clever lads...
                Tactics are based on Weapons... Strategy on Movement... and Movement on Supply.
                (J. F. C. Fuller 1878-1966)

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                • I wouldn't bring old views and myths of Soviet military competence into this discussion. Yes, there were blunders, but there were also extraordinary achievements. Btw, Mannerheim was a commander-in-chief during WWII, and had his role in decision making, but you cannot compare him to generals, like Manstein or Vassilievsky, who conducted large scale operations in the field.
                  Last edited by Sheik Yerbouti; 22 May 07, 14:39.
                  “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…” -1984 about the Big Lie

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                  • Originally posted by General Staff View Post
                    ... we're back talking about serfdom (really slavery)->Soviet->Russia today...
                    yes, we are slaves - so what?
                    you, ''free'' people of the ''west'' - are you any better than us?
                    all what you get from freedom is a ''comfortable life-style''.

                    have you, ''westerners'' - during all this economic growth, grown up spiritually?
                    no - you haven't.
                    moreover, in spiritual sense - you have slowly started to degenerate.

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                    • Originally posted by stalin View Post
                      have you, ''westerners'' - during all this economic growth, grown up spiritually?
                      no - you haven't.
                      moreover, in spiritual sense - you have slowly started to degenerate.
                      That's exactly what the Nazis claimed.
                      “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…” -1984 about the Big Lie

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                      • see, those ''pesky'' nazis were not fools!

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                        • Maybe we need to focus on Trotsky again. Perhaps force other issues to other threads or forums.
                          Tactics are based on Weapons... Strategy on Movement... and Movement on Supply.
                          (J. F. C. Fuller 1878-1966)

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                          • Originally posted by stalin View Post
                            You, ''free'' people of the ''West''- are you any better than us?
                            Yes. I believe so.
                            Tactics are based on Weapons... Strategy on Movement... and Movement on Supply.
                            (J. F. C. Fuller 1878-1966)

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                            • Originally posted by General Staff View Post
                              ... Verdun in WWI with men saying 'baaa' like sheep as they were put into the line...Stalingrad- even all of WWII- was German stupidity, not Russian cleverness...
                              here we, finally, go!
                              ww1 is compared to ww2!
                              verdun is compared to stalingrad!

                              soon - some drunken brawl in local pub would be comared to stalingrad, too!

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                              • Originally posted by General Staff View Post
                                Yes. I believe so.
                                okay. then - some examples of your superiority, maybe?

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