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  • Psycho
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    Originally posted by Andrey View Post
    I am not a loyal but I heard there is no presumption of innocence in the US.
    Another thing you have wrong about the US.

    If someone listens to the media over here then many times people are assumed to be guilty. The media does not however run the court system.

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  • tigersqn
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    Originally posted by Andrey View Post
    I am not a loyal but I heard there is no presumption of innocence in the US.

    I'm not in the US

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  • Andrey
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    Originally posted by tigersqn View Post
    It's the same here, but that doesn't mean you cannot be arrested.

    If you are suspected of committing a crime and there is reasonable evidence to support that contention, then you can be placed under arrest and have your say in a court of competent jurisdiction.

    How is it different in Russia ???
    I am not a loyal but I heard there is no presumption of innocence in the US.

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  • tigersqn
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    Originally posted by Andrey View Post
    He need not prove his innocence, prosecutors must prove his guilt.

    It's the same here, but that doesn't mean you cannot be arrested.

    If you are suspected of committing a crime and there is reasonable evidence to support that contention, then you can be placed under arrest and have your say in a court of competent jurisdiction.

    How is it different in Russia ???

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  • Andrey
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    Originally posted by tigersqn View Post
    That sounds pretty normal.
    What's the problem ??
    He need not prove his innocence, prosecutors must prove his guilt.

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  • tigersqn
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    Originally posted by Andrey View Post
    Presumption of innocence is used in Russia.

    Lugovoy is amazed by the British requests. He said that he was interrogated for an half of an hour and a half of year later he knew he is the main suspect.


    That sounds pretty normal.
    What's the problem ??

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  • Andrey
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    Originally posted by Dave T View Post
    In the UK, the admissable evidence is presented in a Court of Law, challenged by the Defence, and the Jury decide if the case is proved beyond all reqasonable doubt. So the strength - or otherwise - of the case will not be put to "the community".
    We say "there are two sides to every story". I would like to hear Lugovoy's explanations / revelations too. His threat to speak out might see him become the next casualty of whatever murky business is going on.
    I don't see him being extradited anytime soon however. Maybe there will be a show trial in Russia
    Presumption of innocence is used in Russia.

    Lugovoy is amazed by the British requests. He said that he was interrogated for an half of an hour and a half of year later he knew he is the main suspect.

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  • stalin
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    Originally posted by Dave T View Post
    ... I would like to hear Lugovoy's explanations / revelations too. His threat to speak out might see him become the next casualty of whatever murky business is going on...
    lugovoy ?
    he denies everything !
    see, english court let itself get involved in dodgy story and is about to lose face.

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  • Dave T
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    Originally posted by amvas View Post
    Still no evidences of his fault provided to community...

    Also as russians say "A stick has two ends"...
    From that "another end" Lugovoy served in structures of Berezovskiy's body-guard. So, lets wait for his revelations, he promised to supply us...
    In the UK, the admissable evidence is presented in a Court of Law, challenged by the Defence, and the Jury decide if the case is proved beyond all reqasonable doubt. So the strength - or otherwise - of the case will not be put to "the community".
    We say "there are two sides to every story". I would like to hear Lugovoy's explanations / revelations too. His threat to speak out might see him become the next casualty of whatever murky business is going on.
    I don't see him being extradited anytime soon however. Maybe there will be a show trial in Russia

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  • amvas
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    Originally posted by Slim Fan View Post
    The United Kingdom's Director of Public Prosecutions has stated 22 May; "I have today concluded that the evidence sent to us by the police is sufficient to charge Andrei Lugovoi with the murder of Mr Litvinenko by deliberate poisoning. ...
    Still no evidences of his fault provided to community...

    Also as russians say "A stick has two ends"...
    From that "another end" Lugovoy served in structures of Berezovskiy's body-guard. So, lets wait for his revelations, he promised to supply us...

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  • Slim Fan
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    The United Kingdom's Director of Public Prosecutions has stated 22 May; "I have today concluded that the evidence sent to us by the police is sufficient to charge Andrei Lugovoi with the murder of Mr Litvinenko by deliberate poisoning. I have further concluded that a prosecution of this case would clearly be in the public interest. In those circumstances, I have instructed CPS [Crown Prosecution Service] lawyers to take immediate steps to seek the early extradition of Andrei Lugovoi from Russia to the United Kingdom, so that he may be charged with murder - and be brought swiftly before a court in London to be prosecuted for this extraordinarily grave crime."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6678887.stm

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  • amvas
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    Originally posted by Barbarossa View Post
    Well, the CIA is "bad", you'll have to take my word for it.
    Working in Intelligence often means to do dirty work whatever country it belongs to...
    The difference is in the methods of work...
    I don't like tocompare them, jsut to mention Russian Intelligence preferred ideological ways (not rejecting all the others) and American has used mostly financial ways of espionage as well as wide usage of Hi-Tech resources...

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  • Andrey
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    Originally posted by Barbarossa View Post
    Well, the CIA is "bad", you'll have to take my word for it.
    CIA is not "bad"

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  • Andrey
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    Originally posted by Barbarossa View Post
    Why in the world would a semmingly intelligent person like yourself choose to live in such a place???????
    About whom are you speaking?

    The answer is the same for both of us - job, we were in business trip.

    Now we both are at home.

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  • Barbarossa
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    Just curious

    Originally posted by Andrey View Post
    I am in Salekhard (a town in the Polar Circle) now. I live in a hotel in one room with a man who is a former member of Soviet/Russian Group "Vympel" ("Banner"). It is a very famous group (like "Alfa"), for example, it took part in Beslan Operation in 2002.

    He said me that he knew Litvinenko. If to use a polite version of his words about Litvinenko, Litvinenko was a very bad guy.... The same about Berezovskii...
    Why in the world would a semmingly intelligent person like yourself choose to live in such a place???????

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