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  • Maps South to Ladoga lake

    I am looking for ANY maps of the area South of Lake Ladoga.

    Actually I am truly to trying to find out ANY information I can about the battles that the German 253rd Infantry Division fought in.

    I would like to find any info about what Russian units faced them during the Dec 1941 - Dec 1942.

    Thanks for ANY help in advance.
    Kevin Kenneally
    Masters from a school of "hard knocks"
    Member of a Ph.D. Society (Post hole. Digger)

  • #2
    Specify time plz.
    If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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    • #3
      Originally posted by amvas
      Specify time plz.
      I am looking for the places in/around Lake Ladoga during/after the Russian winter offensive.

      I am looking in particular for areas involving the 253rd Infantry Division (German).
      Kevin Kenneally
      Masters from a school of "hard knocks"
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kevin Kenneally
        I am looking for the places in/around Lake Ladoga during/after the Russian winter offensive.

        I am looking in particular for areas involving the 253rd Infantry Division (German).
        Are you sure you are looking just for the 253rd I.D.,but not for the 254th?

        To my info the 253rd I.D. fought in the Army Group "Center"..

        Also take into account, that fights south to Ladoga lake lasted all the years 1941-44...

        regards,
        Alex
        If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by amvas
          Are you sure you are looking just for the 253rd I.D.,but not for the 254th?

          To my info the 253rd I.D. fought in the Army Group "Center"..

          Also take into account, that fights south to Ladoga lake lasted all the years 1941-44...

          regards,
          Alex
          Alex,
          I would like to see if you have any information about the 253rd German Infantry Division and the fighting from Dec 1941 - Jun 1943 (if possible).

          Thanks in adavance.

          Kevin
          Kevin Kenneally
          Masters from a school of "hard knocks"
          Member of a Ph.D. Society (Post hole. Digger)

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          • #6
            Hmmm.... I'm not an expert in German units...
            I simply can see 254th I.D. south to Ladoga and can't see the 253rd I.D. anywhere.
            Maybe it's worth to ask firs on http://forum.axishistory.com about details for this division and later to specify what units opposed it

            Alex
            If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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            • #7
              May be errors.

              Alex,

              This info is from Axis History.

              253. Infanterie-Division

              Commanders Generalleutnant Fritz Kühne (1 Sep 1939 - 7 Mar 1941) General der Infanterie Otto Schellert (7 Mar 1941 - 18 Jan 1943) Generalleutnant Carl Becker (18 Jan 1943 - 17 June 1944) Generalleutnant Hans Junck (17 June 1944 - 28 June 1944) Generalleutnant Carl Becker (28 June 1944 - 5 May 1945) Generalmajor Joachim Schwatlogesterding (5 May 1945 - 8 May 1945)
              Area of operations Germany (Sep 1939 - May 1940) Belgium & France (May 1940 - Apr 1941) Poland (Apr 1941 - June 1941) Eastern front, central sector (June 1941 - Feb 1945) Poland & Czechoslovakia (Feb 1945 - May 1945)

              Order of battle
              453. Infantry Regiment
              464. Infantry Regiment
              473. Infantry Regiment
              253. Artillery Regiment
              1. Battalion
              2. Battalion
              3. Battalion
              4. Battalion
              253. Panzerjäger Battalion
              253. Reconnaissance Battalion
              253. Pioneer Battalion
              253. Signals Battalion
              Supply Troops

              Reference material on this unit
              Clemens Frhr. von Boenninghausen - 253. Infanterie Division: Weg und Ende einer rheinisch westfälischen Division im Osten 1941-1945
              Kevin Kenneally
              Masters from a school of "hard knocks"
              Member of a Ph.D. Society (Post hole. Digger)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kevin Kenneally
                Alex,

                This info is from Axis History.
                ...
                I assume "central sector" of the Russian-German front means Army Group Center. So, my guess about absense of this unit in Ladoga area is correct

                Alex
                If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kevin Kenneally
                  Alex,

                  This info is from Axis History.

                  253. Infanterie-Division

                  Commanders Generalleutnant Fritz Kühne (1 Sep 1939 - 7 Mar 1941) General der Infanterie Otto Schellert (7 Mar 1941 - 18 Jan 1943) Generalleutnant Carl Becker (18 Jan 1943 - 17 June 1944) Generalleutnant Hans Junck (17 June 1944 - 28 June 1944) Generalleutnant Carl Becker (28 June 1944 - 5 May 1945) Generalmajor Joachim Schwatlogesterding (5 May 1945 - 8 May 1945)
                  Area of operations Germany (Sep 1939 - May 1940) Belgium & France (May 1940 - Apr 1941) Poland (Apr 1941 - June 1941) Eastern front, central sector (June 1941 - Feb 1945) Poland & Czechoslovakia (Feb 1945 - May 1945)

                  Order of battle
                  453. Infantry Regiment
                  464. Infantry Regiment
                  473. Infantry Regiment
                  253. Artillery Regiment
                  1. Battalion
                  2. Battalion
                  3. Battalion
                  4. Battalion
                  253. Panzerjäger Battalion
                  253. Reconnaissance Battalion
                  253. Pioneer Battalion
                  253. Signals Battalion
                  Supply Troops

                  Reference material on this unit
                  Clemens Frhr. von Boenninghausen - 253. Infanterie Division: Weg und Ende einer rheinisch westfälischen Division im Osten 1941-1945
                  Maybe the 253rd ID could be tracked more easily if you have the corps that it was in.
                  Leadership is the ability to rise above conventional wisdom.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by R.N. Armstrong
                    Maybe the 253rd ID could be tracked more easily if you have the corps that it was in.
                    That is another dilemma.

                    Background:
                    I have this book that tells of several battles that the 464th Infantry Regiment was involved in during Dec 1941 - Jun 1942. I was able to find that this regiment was a part of the 253rd Infantry Division.
                    The fighting involved areas in/around Rhzev. This I determined yesterday while doing more research. All the maps and graphics I have only depict this regiment in action.

                    I have been trying to get some info about this unit, but all my information only points to "Army Group Center" and what Axis History explains.
                    Kevin Kenneally
                    Masters from a school of "hard knocks"
                    Member of a Ph.D. Society (Post hole. Digger)

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                    • #11
                      More Info

                      I was able to determine that:

                      From November 1941 - June 1942

                      253rd Infantry Division was assigned to:

                      XXIII Armee Korps.

                      9th Armee

                      Army Group Center.
                      Kevin Kenneally
                      Masters from a school of "hard knocks"
                      Member of a Ph.D. Society (Post hole. Digger)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kevin Kenneally
                        I was able to determine that:

                        From November 1941 - June 1942

                        253rd Infantry Division was assigned to:

                        XXIII Armee Korps.

                        9th Armee

                        Army Group Center.
                        253rd ID crosses the Soviet border on 23 June in the wake of the II AK moving toward Kaunus.

                        24-25 Jun, 253ID is in Mariampol (Keprukas)

                        26 Jun 253 ID moves into the line of II AK south of Kaunus.
                        (Above from Glantz's Initial Period of the War on the Eastern Front)

                        I pick up the 253ID 25 Nov-23 Dec 42 as part of the XXIII AK just south of Molodoi Tud near Rzhev against Soviet 22nd and 39th Armies, Kalinin front during Soviet Operations Mars (25 Nov-23 Dec 41). Looks like your boys are in deep stuff at that point, northern most in the German salient under assault. That salient is eventually reduced by March 43.
                        (Above from Glantz's Zhukov's Greatest Defeat)

                        Hope that helps you connect some dots.

                        rna
                        Leadership is the ability to rise above conventional wisdom.

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                        • #13
                          I think Army Group Center was rather far from Ladoga lake
                          If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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                          • #14
                            Update for area needed

                            Alex,
                            I wonder if you know of where maps of the area of Lake Volga. Approx 90 Kilometers northeast of Rzhev?

                            I have located some more info about the unit I am trying to get info on. But the maps of the area, with opposing sides would be VERY helpful.

                            Respectfully,
                            Kevin
                            Kevin Kenneally
                            Masters from a school of "hard knocks"
                            Member of a Ph.D. Society (Post hole. Digger)

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                            • #15
                              I sent you a mail Kevin.
                              Snefens

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