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  • #31
    oh yes

    I guess after freezing 100 000 men and killing 900 000 more Hitler did need a bit of bolstering in terms of morale and his soilders :P

    The German's shot thier bolt at Moscow and even if they took it ( highly unlikely) I very much doubt they could keep it.
    "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.", Sun Tzu

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Hellcat
      Really? Soviet people are fought with Germans not only for "faith in Stalin" but for something else. Guess for what.
      I was under the impression that by the fall of 1941, Nazi barbarism in the occupied areas had made every Soviet soldier aware that he was fighting for his and his family's lives. Given that, I don't see how the hypothetical fall of Moscow would break the morale of the Soviet army. It would certainly interfere with command and control and logistics.

      IIRC the knowledge of Nazi barbarism is covered extensively in Richard Overy's book.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by AdrianE
        I was under the impression that by the fall of 1941, Nazi barbarism in the occupied areas had made every Soviet soldier aware that he was fighting for his and his family's lives. Given that, I don't see how the hypothetical fall of Moscow would break the morale of the Soviet army. It would certainly interfere with command and control and logistics.

        IIRC the knowledge of Nazi barbarism is covered extensively in Richard Overy's book.
        Difficult to defend that argument in light of the hundeds of thousands of Ukrainians and others who fought for the Germans. While they had a pretty good idea about German barbarism, they could have written the book on Stalin's.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Janos
          Difficult to defend that argument in light of the hundeds of thousands of Ukrainians and others who fought for the Germans. While they had a pretty good idea about German barbarism, they could have written the book on Stalin's.
          The most part of them joined to the Germans to escape from death om POW camps. Some of them had hope to run from pro-German units to partisans.

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          • #35
            Difficult to defend that argument in light of the hundeds of thousands of Ukrainians and others who fought for the Germans.
            And your point is...? There are hundreds of thousands another European citizens who fought for the Nazis and so? Don't mix the Nazi's collaborators with the whole nation.

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