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  • Looking ... TO&E for Teploe

    hello all a friend on my TO&Es group asked about this information can anyone help put with it .

    thomas

    Howdy all:

    Trying to get a little (hehe) info for a miniatures scenario I'd
    like to put together. Just can't seem to dig up enough dirt on the
    lesser focused front of this fight.

    Scenario would be for the culminating battle around Teploe on the
    north front of the Battle for Kursk. From the Cross and Glantz
    books I've gathered that the German offensive was spearheaded by the
    3rd and 35th Panzer Regiments, 20th Panzer Division, XLVII Panzer
    Corps "with accompanying infantry and panzer grenadiers ordered to
    clear the ridge." And (yes, bad English) they "ran straight into
    the 3rd Anti-Tank Artillary Brigade" with infantry and dug-in T-34's
    in support. I can't figure out if the 3rd was from the 19th Tank
    Corps of 70th Army or the 16th Tank Corps of 2nd Tank Army. Much
    less what they were armed with? Anyone have any of that TO&E or
    know a good source?
    owner of the yahoo group for WW1 ,WW2 and Modern TO&Es
    (Tables of organisation & equipment or Unit of action )

    http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/TOandEs/

  • #2
    TO&E of a Tank Destroyer Brigade

    The 3rd Tank Destroyer Brigade was subordinate to 70th Army.

    According to Glantz the TO&E of a Destroyer Brigade was:

    1 AT Artillery Regt with
    4 Batteries each with 4 76mm guns
    3 Batteries each with 4 45mm AT guns
    1 Battery with 4 37mm AA guns

    2 AT Rifle Battalions with
    3 Companies each with 24 AT RIfles

    1 Engineer-Miner Battalion
    3 Companies

    1 Tank Battalion with
    2 Medium Companies each with 10 T-34 Tanks
    1 Light Company with 11 T-70 Tanks

    1 Mortar Battalion with
    2 Batteries each with 4 82mm Mortars
    1 Battery with 4 120mm Mortars

    Regards
    Michael

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Kharkov
      The 3rd Tank Destroyer Brigade was subordinate to 70th Army.

      According to Glantz the TO&E of a Destroyer Brigade was:

      1 AT Artillery Regt with
      4 Batteries each with 4 76mm guns
      3 Batteries each with 4 45mm AT guns
      1 Battery with 4 37mm AA guns

      2 AT Rifle Battalions with
      3 Companies each with 24 AT RIfles

      1 Engineer-Miner Battalion
      3 Companies

      1 Tank Battalion with
      2 Medium Companies each with 10 T-34 Tanks
      1 Light Company with 11 T-70 Tanks

      1 Mortar Battalion with
      2 Batteries each with 4 82mm Mortars
      1 Battery with 4 120mm Mortars

      Regards
      Michael
      thanks michael i can pass that on anything else anyone can add etc ? .

      thomas
      owner of the yahoo group for WW1 ,WW2 and Modern TO&Es
      (Tables of organisation & equipment or Unit of action )

      http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/TOandEs/

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      • #4
        On July 1'43 the 3rd ATABde was in the 49th Army of the Western Front
        70th Army had 378th ATAR
        19th TC was of Central Front HQ subordination on July 01'43 and had no
        any AT units
        16th TC/2nd TA had 614th ATAR and 729th Sep. ATABn
        From other units:
        48th Army had 2nd ATABde
        1,13 ATABde were in front HQ's subordination

        On Aug. 1'43 the Central Front had 4 ATABdes: 2,13 Frontal HQ
        subordinated, 20th ATABde in 48A, 1 ATABde in 13th Army
        The 3rd ATABde was in the 10th Gds Army of the Western Front
        Last edited by amvas; 16 May 05, 06:23.
        If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kharkov
          The 3rd Tank Destroyer Brigade was subordinate to 70th Army.
          ...
          Mike, look BSSA, it gives the 3rd IPTABr (Anti-tank artillery brigade) on the Western Front both on July and Aug. 1'43 and the 70th Army had no AT brigades at all
          If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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          • #6
            Alex

            I think there was a mistake in terminolgy in the question, and that the unit being referred to is the 3rd Destoryer Brigade which in the BSSA is listed under rifle units. These units are, as you know, different from the AT Artillery Brigades which where strictly artillery units.

            Mike

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kharkov
              Alex

              I think there was a mistake in terminolgy in the question, and that the unit being referred to is the 3rd Destoryer Brigade which in the BSSA is listed under rifle units. These units are, as you know, different from the AT Artillery Brigades which where strictly artillery units.

              Mike
              Aja. I can see this Bde. Yep, I was confused by "Anti-tank" term in request. I translate "istrebitelnaya Brigada" as Destroyer Brigade and "Istrebitelnaya Protivotankovaya Artilleriyskaya Brigada" as Antitank Artillery Brigade

              Alex
              Last edited by amvas; 16 May 05, 09:38.
              If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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              • #8
                thanks mike and alex for the help i have passed it on to him ,is there any other information that is available etc ? .

                thomas
                owner of the yahoo group for WW1 ,WW2 and Modern TO&Es
                (Tables of organisation & equipment or Unit of action )

                http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/TOandEs/

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                • #9
                  guys is there any info for the german units ? ..
                  owner of the yahoo group for WW1 ,WW2 and Modern TO&Es
                  (Tables of organisation & equipment or Unit of action )

                  http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/TOandEs/

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