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    The Ta-183 was a prototype that the Soviets grabbed, and let the allies see in Korea.

    Ta-183

    Mig 15

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    Focke Wulf Ta-183 and Mikoyan Gurevich MiG-15 are just barely the same, but only I could guess that MiG-15 was faster and better than Focke Wulf Ta-183, but it was well off in Korea that F-86 and MiG-15 look just close same, but again design are different.

    Good information back there, MadDog.

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    • #3
      yeah didnt the russians use a jet engine from the uk for it ? ..
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      • #4
        Originally posted by thomas.tmcc
        yeah didnt the russians use a jet engine from the uk for it ? ..
        Indeed. But the design of the MiG-15 has less in common with the Ta-183 than it appears. Using the same rule, it could be argued that the F-86 was a copy of the same design, while the F-102/106 came about from Lippisch research...
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        • #5
          Believe that F-86 wing designs came from Me 262 HG blueprint where it would make the speed increase that F-86 prototype used to have Straight low wings.

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          • #6
            Problem is, that isn't a Mig 15...

            In any event, the Soviets did, in fact, copy the general outlines, powerplant requirements and so forth from the Germans, since they had no jet program of their own - hence the need to purchase British engines in order to steal more technology.

            Saying that makes the American F-86 Sabre also a copy makes absolutely no sense at all, much like saying the British TITANIC is actually a copy of Fulton's steamship. America did have a jet program of its own underway before the end of WWII, as witness the P-80 Shooting Star by Lockheed.

            Soviet advances in technology after WWII were either copied or stolen from the Allies or taken from captured German equipment, as in the exact Soviet copy of the American B-29.

            As far as "Russians kick butt" - ? The Mig 15 did not do well against the American F-86 Sabre in Korea.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MadDog_CDN
              The Ta-183 was a prototype that the Soviets grabbed, and let the allies see in Korea.

              Ta-183

              Mig 15
              Useful links there, interesting ideas. Cheers

              Originally posted by MountainMan
              Soviet advances in technology after WWII were either copied or stolen from the Allies or taken from captured German equipment, as in the exact Soviet copy of the American B-29
              Which is why they were first into Space, despite most of the German rocket developers being 'borrowed' by the US
              Signing out.

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              • #8
                Monty,

                The Soviets rigged that race to Space. They made a fuss about the US using military rockets to get there and the US went back to the drawing board to design purely civilian rockets. While the US was doing this, the Soviets used a military rocket to launch Sputnik. When Eisenhower got embarrased, the US switched back to miltary designs. Sounds silly now, but sometimes that is the way things happen.

                The Germans were only working on military design work. There was no reason for them to hurry to launch a space probe.

                Pruitt
                Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pruitt
                  Monty,

                  The Soviets rigged that race to Space. They made a fuss about the US using military rockets to get there and the US went back to the drawing board to design purely civilian rockets. While the US was doing this, the Soviets used a military rocket to launch Sputnik. When Eisenhower got embarrased, the US switched back to miltary designs. Sounds silly now, but sometimes that is the way things happen.

                  The Germans were only working on military design work. There was no reason for them to hurry to launch a space probe.

                  Pruitt
                  Rigged? Or smarter?

                  Anyone know where the US got the German tech on the swept back wing design, allowing them to break the sound barrier? More importantly, how? Funny story, mighty embarrassing for some patriots i suspect.
                  Not lip service, nor obsequious homage to superiors, nor servile observance of forms and customs...the Australian army is proof that individualism is the best and not the worst foundation upon which to build up collective discipline - General Monash

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pruitt
                    Monty,

                    The Soviets rigged that race to Space. They made a fuss about the US using military rockets to get there and the US went back to the drawing board to design purely civilian rockets. While the US was doing this, the Soviets used a military rocket to launch Sputnik. When Eisenhower got embarrased, the US switched back to miltary designs. Sounds silly now, but sometimes that is the way things happen.
                    Not heard that one before. My first impression is that of someone looking for an excuse (not you ) to explain away the Soviet success
                    Signing out.

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                    • #11
                      German aircraft desing in WW2

                      Under various you will find the Osprey, and I think it was ME you find the wings that are on the A-111.

                      Now about that story...can you post it?

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                      • #12
                        Soviets use some technolgy of Focke Wulf Ta-183 when they were designing Mig-15.

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