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    Hi, I need to know if anyone can help me finding the uniforms and equipment of the Soviet 62nd army?

    Any good websites for all uniforms and such?

    Thanks, Dan

  • #2
    Originally posted by Pandemic
    Hi, I need to know if anyone can help me finding the uniforms and equipment of the Soviet 62nd army?

    Any good websites for all uniforms and such?

    Thanks, Dan
    I am not an expert in uniforms.

    But I have some info about the uniforms of RKKA in 1941-42:

    1. I have some info about the badge of rank of RKKA of that time

    2. I have some photos (some tens) in which some people, who are dressed in the soldiers and officers' uniform of RKKA, are shown. It was made in Russia in 90th years but one of my friends (he is an expert in some scale) speaks that uniform is shown correctly.

    If you are interesting in it, say what you want to get and give me your E-mail.

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    • #3
      These are two good web sites to check out:

      http://www.stalingrad.by.ru/main.html

      http://users.pandora.be/stalingrad/

      Dann

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Pandemic
        Hi, I need to know if anyone can help me finding the uniforms and equipment of the Soviet 62nd army?

        Any good websites for all uniforms and such?

        Thanks, Dan
        http://battle.volgadmin.ru/osn.asp?np=2&npp=7

        Photos fro Stalingrad

        http://rkka.ru/iuniform.htm

        Excellent info about uniform. Unfortunately without connection to specific armies or fronts. Just standard-type uniform
        If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by amvas
          http://rkka.ru/iuniform.htm

          Excellent info about uniform. Unfortunately without connection to specific armies or fronts. Just standard-type uniform
          I am not sure that those photos are correct. They looked on real photos and tried to make the same.

          for example, here is photos of political officer

          http://rkka.ru/uniform/files/arm21.htm

          But as I know a political officer must had red stars on each of his sleeves. In the original black-white photo the bottom side of sleeves where those red stars were is not seen (or authors of sute cut off it).

          In any case this source is good because each photo has original war-time original.

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          • #6
            Break down of 62nd Army

            Can someone tell me what the breakdown of the 62nd Army was below Division level?
            Kevin Kenneally
            Masters from a school of "hard knocks"
            Member of a Ph.D. Society (Post hole. Digger)

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            • #7
              Like all armies during a war, the structure of a force can sometimes change daily. Therefore, your question should be rephrased.

              For example, “on September 1, 1942 what units were assigned to the 62nd Army?” or, “At the start of the battle for Stalingrad, what was the order of battle of the 62nd Army?”

              In other words you need to ask more specific questions and then maybe “we” can come up with a answer for you.

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              • #8
                62nd Army

                Okay, to rephrase my question:

                What is the breakdown of the 62nd Army for the following periods:

                A. 17 Jul - mid August: Fighting in the Don Bend.

                B. Mid August through 12 Sept. Fighting before and on the outskirts of Stalingrad.

                C. 13 Sept - 12 Oct Fighting in Stalingrad.

                D. 13 Oct - 11 November Fighting ion the factories.

                I am looking for the breakdown of units below Division level, also within the seperate Rifle Brigades...

                Hope this clarifies time periods for everyone.
                Kevin Kenneally
                Masters from a school of "hard knocks"
                Member of a Ph.D. Society (Post hole. Digger)

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                • #9
                  Now we are talking specifics. I will see what I can come up with, but it might take awhile.

                  As you know, the 62nd Army was under tremendous pressure during this period, so units and sub units were changing quickly.

                  Dann

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                  • #10
                    This info was taken from the following web site:
                    http://www.stalingrad.by.ru/main1.html


                    62nd Army is formed by July 9, 1942 on the basis 7th Reserve Army. Participated in fights area Don river, where was partially surrounded. In August 1942 defended Distant approaches to Stalingrad. Since September defended city Stalingrad.


                    Command structure:
                    Army commander:
                    General-major Kolpakchi (July 9 1942 - August 2 1942)
                    General-lieutenant Lopatin (August 3 1942 - September 2 1942)
                    General-lieutenant Chuikov
                    Member military council of army - Divisions commissar Gurov
                    Chief of army headquarters:
                    General-major Moskvin (July 9 1942 - September 10 1942)
                    General-major Krulov
                    Military commissar - Battalions commissar Klinkov
                    Operative department :
                    Colonel Zhuravlev (July 9 1942 - August 1 1942)*
                    Lieutenant colonel Klimov (August 1 1942 - September 9)
                    Colonel Zalizuk
                    Chief of tank forces army - Lieutenant colonel Wainrub
                    Chief of intelligence - Colonel German
                    Chief of artillery - General-major Pozharski
                    Chief of signal - Colonel Yurin
                    Chief of engineering service :
                    Colonel Tupichev (July 9 1942 - September 17 1942) *
                    General-major Kosenko (September 18 1942 - September 26 1942)
                    Lieutenant colonel Tkachenko
                    Chief of supply - Colonel Lebedev


                    Structure 62nd Army on August 1 1942:
                    Army Headquarters
                    147th Rifle Division - General-major Volchin
                    ( July 17 - August 30 1942) *

                    181st Rifle Division - General-major Novikov
                    ( July 17 - August 15 1942) *

                    184th Rifle Division - Colonel Koida
                    ( July 17 - September 15 1942) *
                    192nd Rifle Division :
                    Colonel Zakharchenko
                    Lieutenant colonel Talanchev (since July 25 1942)
                    Colonel Zhuravlev (since August 1 1942)
                    ( July 17 - August 25 1942) *
                    196th Rifle Division - Colonel Averin
                    Colonel Ivanov (since August 17 1942)
                    ( July 17 - August 28 1942) *
                    33rd Guards Rifle Division :
                    General-major Glazkov
                    Colonel Dybaynskiy (since September 8 1942)
                    ( July 17 - September 21 1942) *

                    40th Tank Brigade
                    645th Tank Battalion
                    644th Tank Battalion
                    648th Tank Battalion
                    649th Tank Battalion
                    650th Tank Battalion
                    651st Tank Battalion
                    30th Battalion Armoured Train
                    77th Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    78th Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    79th Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    80th Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    1103rd Artillery Regiment
                    1105th Artillery Regiment
                    1158th Artillery Regiment
                    508th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    552nd Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    555th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    614th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    881st Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    1177th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    1183rd Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    1185th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    1186th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    141st Mortar Regiment
                    4th Guards Mortar Regiment
                    5th Guards Mortar Regiment
                    47th Guards Mortar Regiment
                    83rd Guards Mortar Regiment
                    1259th Flak-Artillery Regiment Anti-Aircraft Defens
                    160th Machine-gun Battalion
                    1532nd Pioneer Battalion
                    1524th Pioneer Battalion
                    1581st Pioneer Battalion
                    Structure 62nd Army on October 1 1942
                    Army Headquarters
                    95th Rifle Division - Colonel Gorishnuy
                    ( September 18 1942- February 2 1943) *

                    112nd Rifle Division :
                    Colonel Sologub
                    Colonel Ermolkin (since August 31 1942)
                    Major Filonenko (since November 16 1942)
                    ( July 17 - December 31 1942) *

                    193rd Rifle Division - General-major Smekhotvorov
                    ( September 17 - December 27 1942) *
                    284th Rifle Division - Colonel Batyk
                    ( September 17 1942 - February 2 1943) *
                    308th Rifle Division - Colonel Gyrtiev
                    ( August 26 - December 30 1942) *
                    10th Division NKVD - Colonel NKVD Saraev
                    13rd Guards Rifle Division - General-major Rodimtzev
                    ( September 9 1942 - February 2 1943) *
                    37th Guards Rifle Division - General-major Zholydev
                    ( August 16 - December 27 1942) *
                    39th Guards Rifle Division
                    ( August 12 1942 - February 2 1943) *
                    10th Rifle Brigade
                    42nd Rifle Brigade - Colonel Batrakov
                    92nd Rifle Brigade
                    115th Rifle Brigade - Colonel Andrysenko
                    124th Rifle Brigade - Colonel Gorochov
                    194th Rifle Brigade
                    23rd Tank Corps
                    77th Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    78th Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    79th Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    80th Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    81st Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    4th Independent Battalion Anti-Tank Rifles
                    1103rd Artillery Regiment
                    1105th Artillery Regiment
                    266th Artillery Regiment
                    397th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    398th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    499th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    648th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    651st Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    738th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    1186th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    141st Mortar Regiment
                    2nd Guards Mortar Regiment
                    51st Guards Mortar Regiment
                    83rd Guards Mortar Regiment
                    89th Guards Mortar Regiment
                    92nd Guards Mortar Regiment
                    223rd Flak-Artillery Regiment Anti-Aircraft Defens
                    242nd Flak-Artillery Regiment Anti-Aircraft Defens
                    326th Pioneer Battalion
                    327th Pioneer Battalion
                    Structure 62nd Army on November 20 1942
                    Army Headquarters
                    45th Rifle Division
                    ( October 15 1942 - February 2 1943) *

                    95th Rifle Division
                    112nd Rifle Division
                    138th Rifle Division - Colonel Lydnikov
                    ( July 17 1942 - February 2 1943) *

                    193rd Rifle Division
                    284th Rifle Division
                    308th Rifle Division
                    10th Division NKVD
                    13rd Guards Rifle Division
                    37th Guards Rifle Division
                    39th Guards Rifle Division
                    42nd Rifle Brigade
                    92nd Rifle Brigade
                    115th Rifle Brigade
                    124th Rifle Brigade
                    149th Rifle Brigade
                    160th Rifle Brigade
                    84th Tank Brigade
                    235th Tank Brigade
                    77th Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    78th Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    79th Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    80th Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    81st Anti-Profiteer Detachment
                    1103rd Artillery Regiment
                    457th Artillery Regiment
                    266th Artillery Regiment
                    397th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    499th Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    502nd Fighter Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment
                    141st Mortar Regiment
                    19th Guards Mortar Regiment
                    51st Guards Mortar Regiment
                    83rd Guards Mortar Regiment
                    89th Guards Mortar Regiment
                    92nd Guards Mortar Regiment
                    223rd Flak-Artillery Regiment Anti-Aircraft Defens
                    242nd Flak-Artillery Regiment Anti-Aircraft Defens
                    326th Pioneer Battalion
                    327th Pioneer Battalion

                    * After destruction of the commander 191st Infantry Division, is nominated by the commander
                    191st Infantry Division. August 16 1942 at an exit from an environment was hardly wounded and
                    is dismissed from army on a wound.
                    * Colonel Tupichev has perished on September 17 1942 at the mortal bombardment.

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                    • #11
                      OK, based on my previous post (see above) here is the breakdown for the listed divisions:

                      147 Rifle – 14 RR, 600 RR, 640 RR, 397 Art Reg.
                      181 Rifle – 271 RR, 288 RR, 292 RR, 375 Art Reg, 110 Medical Batt.
                      184 Rifle – 262 RR, 294 RR, 297 Rr, 616 Art Reg.
                      196 Rifle – 863 RR, 884 RR, 893 RR, 725 Art Reg.
                      33 Guard Rifle – 84 GRR, 88 GRR, 91 GRR, 59 Guard Art Reg.
                      95 Rifle – 90 RR, 161 RR, 241 RR, 57 Art Reg, 97 AT Batt.
                      112 Rifle – 385 RR, 416 RR, 524 RR, 436 Art Reg, 159 Sapper Batt, 196 Recon Company, 199 Medical Company.
                      193 Rifle – 604 RR, 683 RR, 685 RR, 384 Art Reg, 50 At Batt, 4 Sapper Batt, 320 Recon Company.
                      294 Rifle – 1042 RR, 1045 RR, 1047 RR, 820 Art Reg.
                      308 Rifle – 339 RR, 347 RR, 351 RR, 1011 Art Reg, 430 AT Batt, 699 Sapper Batt, 899 Signal Batt.
                      10 NKVD Rifle – 269 NKVD RR, 270 NKVD RR, 271 NKVD RR, 272 NKVD RR, 282 NKVD RR, 21 & 28Training Tank Batt, two Batt of Students, 249 Convoy Reg, 73 Armord Train, 32 Volga Flotilla Detachment (220 men), 81 RR Reg.
                      39 Guard Rifle – 112 GRR, 117 GRR, 120 GRR, 87 G Art Reg, 43 G AT Batt.
                      45 Rifle – 10 RR, 61 RR, 253 RR, 178 Art Reg.
                      95 Rifle – 90 RR, 161 RR, 241 RR, 57 Art Reg, 97 At Batt.
                      138 Rifle – 344 RR, 650 RR, 768 RR, 295 Light Art Reg, 230 AT Batt, 292 mort Batt, 77 AA Battery, 155 Mtz Rifle Company, 179 Sapper Batt, 203 Signal Batt, 18 Training Batt.


                      This should give you a good idea of the sub units for these divisions. This info came from “Soviet Order of Battle World War II” By Charles C. Sharp.

                      As you can see, this quickly gets very involved. The problem is simply trying to track down specific Regiments or Battalions that are in the process of being destroyed and or moved around during a long battle like Stalingrad.

                      I hope this helps

                      Dann
                      Last edited by Dann Falk; 21 Jan 05, 17:38.

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                      • #12
                        Many Thanks

                        Dann,
                        Many thanks for this.

                        This info will fill in the blanks where the readings I have are vague.

                        But one item of concern from me is the breakdown of the independent Rifle Brigades.... Some of the readings I have state 4 or 5 "Regiments" to each, but I believe these might be onlt Battalion sized units.

                        Any thoughts?
                        Kevin Kenneally
                        Masters from a school of "hard knocks"
                        Member of a Ph.D. Society (Post hole. Digger)

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                        • #13
                          You are correct they were Battalion size units. You can think of the independent Rifle Brigades as simple, small rifle divisions, each with 3 or 4 Battalions instead of regiments.

                          By Jan 1, 1942, the Red Army had 159 Rifle Brigades, by July 1, 1942 they were down to 144, then by Jan 1, 1943 the numbers were back up to 177 Rifle Brigades. After that date, the total number of brigades went down each year, as they were developed/changed into normal rifle divisions.

                          The one thing you really need to understand about The Red Army in WWII is that the size/title of the formation may not be related to it’s strength. For instance, in 1943-44, a front line Rifle Division might be operating with a strength of only 3,000 men, but a full strength Rifle Brigade nearby, might have over 4,000 men.

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                          • #14
                            Rifle Brigades

                            Dann,
                            Thanks for the confirmation of the Rifle Brigades. I am under the same opinion about the strengths of Division's and Brigade's.

                            I truly appreciate the info. Now I can graphically portray the 62nd Army correctly.

                            Kevin
                            Kevin Kenneally
                            Masters from a school of "hard knocks"
                            Member of a Ph.D. Society (Post hole. Digger)

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                            • #15
                              Great, I’m glad I could help.

                              If I might ask, what are you graphically portraying?

                              Personally, I have been studying the Russian 64th Army for years, so I have an interest in the battle for Stalingrad, Kursk, Budapest, and so on….

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