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    Hello,

    I have several questions regarding the Order of Battle of the 1st Belorusian Front and the 1st Ukrainian Front at the eve of the Vistula-Oder Operation.

    I'm looking for:

    a) The composition of forward detachments of the followings armies on the 12th January for the :

    1st Belorussian

    - 69th Army
    - 33th Army
    - 5th Shock Army
    - 8th Guards Army
    - 2nd Guards Tank Army

    1st Ukrainian Front

    - 5th Guards Army
    - 13th Army
    - 52nd Army

    b) The composition of the mobile groups of the following Armies:

    - 69th Army
    - 33th Army
    - 5th Shock Army

    c) The affectation of the following Corps on the 12th January 1945:

    1st Belorussian Front

    - 1st Guards Tank Corps
    - 8th Guards Tank Corps
    - 3rd Guards Cavalry Corps
    - 3rd Guards Tank Corps

    1st Ukrainian Front

    - 1st Guards Cavalry Corps
    - 7th Guards Mechanised Corps
    - 31st Guards Tank Corps

    d) The Order of battle down to Corps echelon of the:

    1st Ukrainian Front

    - 6th Army
    - 21th Army
    - 59th Army
    - 60th Army

    Any pieces of answers are more than welcome!

    Thank you in advance.

    Best Regards,

    Thomas

  • #2
    Originally posted by ThomasR
    Hello,

    I have several questions regarding the Order of Battle of the 1st Belorusian Front and the 1st Ukrainian Front at the eve of the Vistula-Oder Operation.

    I'm looking for:

    a) The composition of forward detachments of the followings armies on the 12th January for the :

    1st Belorussian

    - 69th Army
    - 33th Army
    - 5th Shock Army
    - 8th Guards Army
    - 2nd Guards Tank Army

    1st Ukrainian Front

    - 5th Guards Army
    - 13th Army
    - 52nd Army

    b) The composition of the mobile groups of the following Armies:

    - 69th Army
    - 33th Army
    - 5th Shock Army

    c) The affectation of the following Corps on the 12th January 1945:

    1st Belorussian Front

    - 1st Guards Tank Corps
    - 8th Guards Tank Corps
    - 3rd Guards Cavalry Corps
    - 3rd Guards Tank Corps

    1st Ukrainian Front

    - 1st Guards Cavalry Corps
    - 7th Guards Mechanised Corps
    - 31st Guards Tank Corps

    d) The Order of battle down to Corps echelon of the:

    1st Ukrainian Front

    - 6th Army
    - 21th Army
    - 59th Army
    - 60th Army

    Any pieces of answers are more than welcome!

    Thank you in advance.

    Best Regards,

    Thomas
    Oh...Thomas...It's large pack of work...
    Just now I'm too busy to perform all of it...

    Hardly I have very detailed info...

    Maybe something in "Exerience of the War" series....

    If I have time, will try to dig up, but now, I'm flooded with different kind of work...

    Also maybe Craig can help you...
    If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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    • #3
      Hello Alex!

      First, I would like to thank you for the work you have done on your site: it is truly outstanding!

      Actually, I wasn't expecting a full answer, but maybe bits of that I could patch up to the informations I already got in order to have a more detailled view of the way the 1945's Red Army prepared, engaged and conducted offensive operations.

      You've mentioned an "Experience of the War" series, could you give me further information regarding it?

      Thank you in advance!

      Best Regards,

      Thomas

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      • #4
        TWFF> ***************
        TWFF> Hello Alex!

        TWFF> First, I would like to thank you for the work you have
        TWFF> done on your site: it is truly outstanding!
        Thanks,... I'm trying my best....
        As I usual say in such cases only less than 1% from available info was
        processed...

        TWFF> Actually, I wasn't expecting a full answer, but maybe
        TWFF> bits of that I could patch up to the informations I already got
        TWFF> in order to have a more detailled view of the way the 1945's Red
        TWFF> Army prepared, engaged and conducted offensive operations.

        TWFF> You've mentioned an "Experience of the War" series, could
        TWFF> you give me further information regarding it?
        I took a look through Vol.25 of this serial. It contains experience of
        the Vistula-Oder operation.
        Can't describe all its contamination immediately, but briefly it contains
        some maps, battle orders of some Armies and corps, artillery grouping,
        supplement of troops...216 scanned pages (of rather bad, but readable
        quality). Summary of operations (missions of corps and armies, course of operation,
        results, experience)

        Regards,
        Alex
        If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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        • #5
          Thomas

          For question b

          5th Shock Army (220 Tank Bde, 89 Gds Tank Regt, 396 Hvy SU Regt)
          33rd Army (244, 257 Sep Tank Regt, 360, 361 Hvy SU Regt)
          69th Army (11TC, 68 Tk Bde, 12 SU Bde, 344 Hvy SU Regt, 1205, 1206, 1221 SU Regt

          For question c

          The 3GTC, 8GTC and the 3GCC were part of Front Reserve with the 2nd Byelorussian Front, while the 1GTC was with 70th Army, 2nd Byelorussian Front. So I am not sure why you have these under 1st BF.

          1st BF had both the 1st and 2nd Gds Tank Armies and the 9TC, 2GCC, and 7GCC under Front Reserve

          The 1GCC and the 7GMC were under 1st Ukrainian Front Reserve as part of a Cavalry/Mech group, while 31TC was under 21st Army.

          For question d

          6th Army (22RC, 74RC)
          21st Army (55RC, 117RC, 118RC, 31TC)
          59th Army (43RD, 115RC)
          60th ARmy (15RC, 28RC, 106RC)

          Regards
          Michael

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          • #6
            Thank you very much Michael!

            In fact, I took Le Tissier's Battle of Berlin's order of battle as a basis to build up the Soviet Vistula-Oder Operation OoB, that explain the mistakes you underlined.

            Alex,

            Is this issue #25 of the "Experience of the War" series a Russian magazine?

            Do you know where it is possible to order it?

            Best Regards,

            Thomas

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ThomasR

              Alex,

              Is this issue #25 of the "Experience of the War" series a Russian magazine?

              Do you know where it is possible to order it?

              Thomas
              "Experience..." is a serie of research works made in 1944-45. It is generalized results of operations with some interesting details....

              I obtain scans of all volumes (but some ones without maps).
              That CD can be ordered from Eastview...but its price was ~$500...
              Any other suggestions via e-mail....
              Regards,
              Alex
              If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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              • #8
                Ok, thank you!

                Best regards,

                Thomas

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