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  • Soviet shtat for Mech Corps

    Hello
    I am looking for the following shtat to build up a picture of the organisation of a Mech Corp at its lower levels:

    Механизированная бригада [штаты № 010/420, февраль 1943]
    мотострелковой бригады штата № 010/273
    мотострелковой бригады штата № 010/370

    thanks

  • #2
    Originally posted by Der Alte Fritz View Post
    Hello
    I am looking for the following shtat to build up a picture of the organisation of a Mech Corp at its lower levels:

    Механизированная бригада [штаты № 010/420, февраль 1943]
    мотострелковой бригады штата № 010/273
    мотострелковой бригады штата № 010/370

    thanks
    I hope
    http://www.tankfront.ru/ussr/shtat.html
    can help you with at least one of those ones
    If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

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    • #3
      Yes it does have the 010/370 but not in any great detail.

      The 010/420 is missing and the Battalion one as well.

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      • #4
        Many years ago, I collected a bunch of documents on the mechanized and motor-rifle units that the Germans had captured and compiled. Here is the internal organization of the Mechanized Brigade (10/420) starting in September 1942:

        Brigade HQ
        .....Staff & Operations (81 men)
        .....Staff Company (73 men)
        ........Chemical Warfare, Signal, Supply Platoons
        Rifle Battalion (662 men) (3 total)
        .....Bn HQ
        ........Staff Platoon, Signal Detachment,Supply Company
        ......Rifle Company (3 total in each battalion)
        ........12 LMGs, 2 MMGs
        .......Machinegun Company - 9 MMGs
        .......Mortar Company - 6 82mm mortars
        .......Antitank Rifle Company - 18 ATRs
        .......Antitank Company - 4 45mm guns
        .......Submachine Gun Company (90 SMGs)
        Tank Regiment (339 men)
        .....Headquarters & Services
        ........Staff Platoon (1 T-34)
        ........Signal Platoon (2 T-34s)
        ........Reconnaissance Platoon (3 armored cars)
        ........Truck Platoon
        .....2 Medium Tank Companies
        ........ each: 3 platoons of 3 tanks, plus 1 HQ tank
        .....Light Tank Company
        ........3 platoons of 5 tanks, plus 1 HQ tank
        .....Antitank Rifle Company - 18 ATRS in 3 platoons
        Mortar Battalion (198 men)
        .....Staff Company
        .....Mortar Battery - 6 120mm mortars
        .....2 Mortar Companies - each 6 82mm mortars
        Artillery Battalion (214 men)
        .....Staff Battery
        .....3 Cannon Batteries - each 4 76.2mm cannon
        Antiaircraft Battalion
        .....HQ plus 3 batteries: total 12 37mm light AA guns
        Submachine Gun Company (94 men)
        .....HQ plus 3 platoons, total 88 SMGs
        Reconnaissance Company (141 men)
        .....Armored Car Platoon – 7 light armored cars
        .....Motorcycle Platoon
        ........2 Rifle Platoons (trucks OR Lend Lease Armored Carriers - US M3A1 or British Bren)
        Services:
        .....Maintenance Company (72 men)
        .....Medical Platoon (32 men)
        .....Truck Company (72 men)

        TOTAL:
        3600 men
        110 Light Machineguns
        45 Medium Machineguns
        12 37mm AA guns
        30 82mm mortars
        6 120mm mortars
        12 76.2mm cannon
        12 45mm cannon
        106 14.5mm Antitank Rifles
        23 medium tanks
        16 light tanks
        10 armored cars
        10 armored carriers
        328 trucks
        35 radios

        In January 1943 the following changes were made:
        Tank Regiment: Changed to following:
        .....Headquarters and Services:
        ........Staff Platoon
        ........Signal Platoon (2 T-34s)
        ........Reconnaissance Platoon (3 armd cars)
        .....3 Medium Tank Companies
        ........each: 3 platoons of 3 tanks, plus 1 HQ tank
        .....Light Tank Company
        ........2 platoons of 3 tanks, plus 1 HQ tank
        .....Antitank Rifle Company - 18 ATRS in 3 platoons

        TOTAL:
        32 Medium Tanks
        7 Light Tanks
        3 Armored Cars

        In February 1943 the following were added:
        Antiaircraft Machinegun Company (48 men)
        .....9 12.7mm AAMG
        ........(replaces the Antiaircraft Battalion)
        Antitank Rifle Company (69 men)
        .....HQ plus 3 platoons, each 9 ATRs
        Engineer-Mine Company (121 men)
        .....HQ plus 3 platoons

        Hope all of this helps...

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        • #5
          Thank you Sharposhnikov for the excellent information. This really helps explain the numbers given in the Red Army Handbook table which is headed "Feb 1943 amended Sept 1943" and does not match any of the totals given in these two orders from tankfront.ru:

          NKO Order No. GOCO-2791 from January 28, 1943
          "On the formation of 10 Tank Armies"
          NKO Order № 00220 from October 22, 1942
          "On the formation of a mechanized Corps»

          since in the latter case the Red Army Handbook ignores the fact that the Guards Mech Corps have a stronger establishment.

          With regard to the Battalion establishment, my bet from reading the various NKO orders is that they took standard infantry formations and simply altered them slightly and that they retained their original establishment. This would give us an infantry battalion (based on 04/550):

          Battalion HQ (11)
          Medical Section (5)
          Supply Section (12)
          ATR Section (18) plus an additional one (18)
          AT Gun Section (17) plus an additional one (17)
          additional MG Company (58)
          Amended Mortar Company (61)
          3 Rifle Companies each (142):
          3 Platoons(40) of four sections (9) 1 LMG and mainly SMG/Auto Rifles and rifles
          Medical section (5)
          MG sections (6) plus an additional one (6)

          Total 652 which is only 2 men over the establishment given in Red Army Handbook of 649 but is still under your total of 662.
          Last edited by Der Alte Fritz; 14 Feb 13, 03:06.

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          • #6
            One of the things that I noticed years ago was that the Red Army did not issue new shtat numbers even when the original shtat was modified heavily. For instance, just in the Mechanized Brigade example I gave, there were several additions and changes to the shtat over a period of 6 months, but the shtat designation remained the same. I'm afraid to get exact totals for manpower and equipment in a given shtat, you'd also have to know the exact date of all the changes to that shtat, and then your numbers would only be accurate for a specific time frame.
            In addition, at least in the rifle division shtatnii, there were 'local modifications' authorized by Fronts that, for instance, gave guidelines for organizing rifle divisions at reduced manpower strengths. None of these resulted in new shtat numbers, even though they resulted in radical changes to the numbers and equipment in those units.
            In sum, the same shtat number can result in very different strength figures, even before allowing for combat losses and shortages.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sharposhnikov View Post
              One of the things that I noticed years ago was that the Red Army did not issue new shtat numbers even when the original shtat was modified heavily. For instance, just in the Mechanized Brigade example I gave, there were several additions and changes to the shtat over a period of 6 months, but the shtat designation remained the same. I'm afraid to get exact totals for manpower and equipment in a given shtat, you'd also have to know the exact date of all the changes to that shtat, and then your numbers would only be accurate for a specific time frame.

              In sum, the same shtat number can result in very different strength figures, even before allowing for combat losses and shortages.
              Which is very true (and frustrating...). Even within Zaloga's Red Army Handbook, he gives differing totals for the same unit, no doubt reflecting slight changes over time. For the Rifle Division, I did make tables for the 'official reductions' and then the 'Front reductions' showing how the Division was parcelled out the smaller it got. And it got very small indeed.

              The information you provided on the establishment of the Mech Brigade and its changes over time were very useful.

              The only piece of the jigsaw that we are now missing is the Battalion structure, whether it has four or three sections in a platoon, is it a 9 or 8 man section and are the LMG given out on the basis of 1 per section or do some sections have 2 LMG like in the Rifle Division?

              It is plainly a different unit compared to the Motor Rifle Battalion in the Tank Corps though their Brigades both share the same shtat number of 010/420. Zaloga gives a Table for the Battalion structure for the Tank Corps unit but the text means clear that it is a very different sort of unit from the Mech Bde one and implies a different structure from the triangular one of the SMG armed Tank Corps troops.

              Do you have anything on this?
              Thank you.

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              • #8
                Woah, that a HUGE number of hand-held anti-tank rifles...geez, no wonder the germans hated those things, they were everywhere!
                ...Its one of our V-8's...Pursuit Special on methane, super hot!

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