Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Valentine Mk IX tank found in Poland

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Valentine Mk IX tank found in Poland

    http://kontakt24.tvn.pl/temat,unikat...l?categoryId=0












    I can say as it was lost in 1945 that time it was a rare type of tank as soon as Valentines almost disappear from soviet tank units by mid- & late 1944
    Last edited by amvas; 27 Oct 12, 04:03.
    If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

  • #2
    Were the used in recon role mostly from mid-to-late war?
    It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.

    Косово је Србија!
    Never go to war with a country whose national holiday celebrates a defeat in 1389.

    Armored Brigade

    Armored Brigade Facebook page

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by nikolas93TS View Post
      Were the used in recon role mostly from mid-to-late war?
      No, just as usual linear tanks
      If you fire a rifle at the past, the future will fire a cannon at you.....

      Comment


      • #4
        This page http://www.o5m6.de/valentine_ix.html

        puts tank T122834 as produced by Vickers Armstrong under contract TM 6116.

        Comment


        • #5
          The Valentines with the 6-lber guns (57mm) were used in a variety of tank, mechanized, and motorcycle (reconnaissance) units in 1944 - 45. Here are the entires I've found from various sources on units with Valentines:

          3rd Tank Corps March 1944
          Included 69 T-34s, 6 Mk IX Valentines, 2 SU-152s, 1 SU-85, 11 SU-76

          16th Tank Corps March 1944
          Included 66 T-34s, 7 Mk IX Valentines, 11 SU-85, 12 SU-76

          19th Tank Corps April 1944
          Total with attachments: 25 T-34, 34 TO-34, 61 Mk IX Valentines, 2 Mk VII Valentines, 1 SU-85, 42 SU-76,10 BA-64, 10 Universal APCs
          .....80th Tank Brigade
          ..........Totals: 3 T-34, 19 TO-34, 29 Mk IX Valentines
          .....102nd Tank Brigade
          ..........Totals: 4 T-34, 15 TO-34, 29 Mk IX Valentines
          .....91st Motorcycle Battalion
          ..........Totals: 3 Mk IX Valentines, 2 Mk VII Valentines, 10 BA-64,
          10 Universal APCs

          3rd Guards Tank Corps 15 August 1944
          Included 99 M4A2 Shermans, 23 Mk IX Valentines

          1st Mechanized Corps May 1944
          Included 136 M4A2 Shermans, 44 Mk IX Valentines, 5 Mk X Valentines,
          21 SU-76, 21 SU-85, 43 BA-64, 47 M3A1 Scout APCs

          5th Mechanized Corps 20 August 1944
          Included 1 T-34, 4 T-70, 29 Mk IX Valentines, 90 M4A2 Shermans,
          14 SU-76, 6 Mk II Matildas

          3rd Guards Mechanized Corps 22 June 1944
          Total 196 tanks, including 110 M4A2 Shermans, 70 Mk IX Valentines, 16 T-34s
          20 July 1944:
          total of 11 T-34s, 26 Mk IX Valentines, 35 M4A2 Shermans
          January 1945:
          Total 176 M4A2 Shermans, including 108 with 76mm cannon,
          plus 21 Mk IX Valentines

          9th Guards Mechanized Corps 10 August 1944
          Included 100 M4A2 Shermans, 40 Mk IX Valentines, 3 SU-76
          5 December 1944:
          included 26 Mk IX Valentines, 126 M4A2 Shermans, 11 SU-76s

          154th Tank Regiment (in 8th Cavalry Division 2 Aug 43 to 11 May 45)
          1 October 1944:
          in 5th Guards Cavalry Corps, included 5 T-34, 5 Mk IX Valentines,
          10 SU-76s

          250th Tank Regiment (13th Guards Cavalry Division)
          1 October 1944:
          in 5th Guards Cavalry Corps, included 27 T-34,1 x T-70,
          8 Mk IX Valentines, 2 SU-85, 5 SU-76

          4th Motorcycle Regiment 20 August 1944
          in 6th Guards Tank Army, included 10 Mk IX Valentines, 4 SU-57s
          August 1944, no exact date:
          At least partially equipped with US Lend Lease
          Harley-Davidson motorcycles with sidecars (from photograph)
          This unit became:

          4th Guards Motorcycle Regiment (after 12 Sep 44)
          5 December 1944:
          in 6th Guards Tank Army, included 11 Mk IX Valentines, 3 SU-57s

          6th Motorcycle Regiment 14 January 1945
          had tank company with 10 Mk IX Valentines, artillery battalion
          with 2 4-gun batteries of SU-57s, 1 battery of ZIS-3 76mm guns towed
          by M3A1 Scout cars, a Machinegun company of 12 Maxims in jeeps,
          A company of submachinegunners in 13 M3A1 scout cars
          NOTE: A practically all Lend Lease - equipped Unit!

          87th Motorcycle Battalion (2nd Tank Army)
          March 1944:
          included 9 Mk IX Valentines

          Comment


          • #6
            That looks like a very long barrel for a 6-pounder.

            Could that be the Soviet 57mm, mounted in place of the gun it was shipped with?
            If so, it could be a very valuable bit of history.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
              That looks like a very long barrel for a 6-pounder.

              Could that be the Soviet 57mm, mounted in place of the gun it was shipped with?
              If so, it could be a very valuable bit of history.
              Nope. Despite reports in some older books, no British talks were rearmed by the Red Army. There was a 1942 study to determine whether the Matilda could be rearmed with a 76mm gun, but the Matilda CS started to arrive around that time, eliminating the need. The Valentines, Matildas and Churchills all served as delivered.

              Regards
              Scott Fraser
              Ignorance is not the lack of knowledge. It is the refusal to learn.

              A contentedly cantankerous old fart

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Scott Fraser View Post
                Nope. Despite reports in some older books, no British talks were rearmed by the Red Army. There was a 1942 study to determine whether the Matilda could be rearmed with a 76mm gun, but the Matilda CS started to arrive around that time, eliminating the need. The Valentines, Matildas and Churchills all served as delivered.

                Regards
                Scott Fraser
                I have read that in December 1941 single Valentine was rearmed with 45mm gun and DT machine gun in Gorky factory n92, and factory designated ZIS-95, however no further trial was made with it after it was sent to Moscow.

                I read that on several Russian sites while searching for ammo used on Soviet Valentines with 6pdr guns (and therefore also for SU-57). Anybody knows something on regard?
                Last edited by nikolas93TS; 18 May 14, 14:11.
                It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.

                Косово је Србија!
                Never go to war with a country whose national holiday celebrates a defeat in 1389.

                Armored Brigade

                Armored Brigade Facebook page

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                  That looks like a very long barrel for a 6-pounder.

                  Could that be the Soviet 57mm, mounted in place of the gun it was shipped with?
                  If so, it could be a very valuable bit of history.
                  The 6 pdr gun came in two lengths 43 and 50 caliber, this is the longer 50 caliber version.

                  Comment

                  Latest Topics

                  Collapse

                  Working...
                  X