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  • #46
    Originally posted by 1st cavalry View Post

    also the assessment that su and Germany were on a collision course ever since Hitler took power, ignores the fact that there was no common border at that time.
    Eh... Hitler quite clearly stated beyond any reasonable doubt that he didn´t like commies. USSR was quite dense with so called commies at the time. Besides that Old Adolf liked the idea of "living space". It isn´t exactly a very advanced concept to understand, especially as Adolf made short work of his internal commies inside Germany. Then we have the little fuzz in Spain with both sides taking sides.

    Besides I do not understand what you mean by no "common border". It is actually quite a nonsensical statement as fast as one actually bothers to consider a minor thing called reality. To make a very simple analogue. US and USSR had no common border during the cold war, that didn´t keep them from being on a collision course during basicly the whole cold war and a bit afterwards.
    “For there is nothing more serious than a lunatic when he comes to the central point of his lunacy.”

    Max Sterner

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    • #47
      Originally posted by 1st cavalry View Post
      That assessment is circumstantial at best , dishonest at worst.
      In September 1939 , France and Britain formally declared war on Germany, mobilization was started a naval blockade went into effect.
      In the aftermath of the polish campaign, the German eastern border was striped to the bone to provide manpower for the west, even so the German
      forces there did not outnumbered the western allies neither in terms of divisions aircraft or armor. At sea western naval forces outnumbered the German navy by large margin.
      This is the time that Su used to settle the scores with her neighbors, any
      attempt to pin the blame on Germans for this is futile.
      So you are saying that SU attacked Germany?
      “For there is nothing more serious than a lunatic when he comes to the central point of his lunacy.”

      Max Sterner

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      • #48
        Originally posted by 1st cavalry View Post
        because you typed june instead of july.
        Generally when trying to be brief one must stride to be accurate as well.
        Yes, you got me there. 21 July 1940 it was.
        Kind regards
        Igor

        * My grandfathers WW2 memoirs - Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Hungary, 1944-1945.
        * On the question of "2 mil. rapes" by RKKA
        * Verdicts of RKKA Military Tribunals for crimes against civilians in 1945

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Erkki View Post
          Eh... Hitler quite clearly stated beyond any reasonable doubt that he didn´t like commies. USSR was quite dense with so called commies at the time. Besides that Old Adolf liked the idea of "living space". It isn´t exactly a very advanced concept to understand, especially as Adolf made short work of his internal commies inside Germany. Then we have the little fuzz in Spain with both sides taking sides.
          your point ?
          Originally posted by Erkki View Post
          Besides I do not understand what you mean by no "common border". It is actually quite a nonsensical statement as fast as one actually bothers to consider a minor thing called reality.
          It is a statement of fact, not open to interpretation. A common border existed only after 1939.

          Originally posted by Erkki View Post
          To make a very simple analogue. US and USSR had no common border during the cold war, that didn´t keep them from being on a collision course during basicly the whole cold war and a bit afterwards.
          the advancement made in nuclear weaponry, strategic missiles , bombers and submarines make this anything but a simple analogue.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Erkki View Post
            So you are saying that SU attacked Germany?
            No.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by 1st cavalry View Post
              your point ?
              Dear Heavens, isn´t that obvious?
              It is a statement of fact, not open to interpretation. A common border existed only after 1939.
              Of course it is, the very foundation of the perception of the scientificlogic is open or interpretation but that is a other matter. Any way it is irrelevant


              the advancement made in nuclear weaponry, strategic missiles , bombers and submarines make this anything but a simple analogue.
              It is.
              Last edited by Erkki; 02 Nov 12, 12:09.
              “For there is nothing more serious than a lunatic when he comes to the central point of his lunacy.”

              Max Sterner

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              • #52
                Originally posted by 1st cavalry View Post
                No.
                So... what are you going at?
                “For there is nothing more serious than a lunatic when he comes to the central point of his lunacy.”

                Max Sterner

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Erkki View Post
                  Dear Heavens, isn´t that obvious?
                  no it not , please elaborate.
                  Originally posted by Erkki View Post
                  Of course it is, the very foundation of the perception of the scientificlogic is open or interpretation but that is a other matter. Any way it is irrelevant
                  what is irrelevant? your digression about perception or
                  lack of common borders ?
                  Originally posted by Erkki View Post
                  It is.
                  thank you for your opinion , now lets hear the arguments.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Erkki View Post
                    So... what are you going at?
                    you quoted my reply to this :

                    The collision course with Germany was set immediately after Hitler's rise to power. Until the Munich Betrayal there were possibilities of creating a collective security network against the German threat. After Czechoslovakia had been presented to Hilter on a silver platter and torn apart jointly by Germany and Poland, the Soviet foreign policy was revised.

                    so... what part of my reply do you not follow ?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by ShAA View Post

                      This is not to mention its Western neibours were a pack of jackals which bit off whatever pieces they could get when Russia was weak during the Civil War and WWI. When the tables turned, they started crying foul.
                      Not forgetting that they were parts of Russia not so far before

                      Originally posted by Erkki View Post
                      Besides I do not understand what you mean by no "common border". It is actually quite a nonsensical statement as fast as one actually bothers to consider a minor thing called reality. To make a very simple analogue. US and USSR had no common border during the cold war, that didn´t keep them from being on a collision course during basicly the whole cold war and a bit afterwards.
                      Berlin wall was their common border
                      "Keep Calm. Use Less X's"

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by 1st cavalry View Post
                        no it not , please elaborate.
                        Political breakdown of relations.
                        what is irrelevant? your digression about perception or
                        lack of common borders ?
                        The need for a common border for political relations to deteriorate.
                        They may very well be.


                        thank you for your opinion , now lets hear the arguments.
                        Why would you thank me for my opinion?
                        Already given.
                        “For there is nothing more serious than a lunatic when he comes to the central point of his lunacy.”

                        Max Sterner

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by 1st cavalry View Post
                          you quoted my reply to this :

                          The collision course with Germany was set immediately after Hitler's rise to power. Until the Munich Betrayal there were possibilities of creating a collective security network against the German threat. After Czechoslovakia had been presented to Hilter on a silver platter and torn apart jointly by Germany and Poland, the Soviet foreign policy was revised.

                          so... what part of my reply do you not follow ?
                          The connection between German troop placement and Soviet actions
                          “For there is nothing more serious than a lunatic when he comes to the central point of his lunacy.”

                          Max Sterner

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by dmf01 View Post

                            Berlin wall was their common border
                            Possibly for the WP and NATO, but for the US and USSR? I do not believe that was the case. A political border perhaps
                            “For there is nothing more serious than a lunatic when he comes to the central point of his lunacy.”

                            Max Sterner

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Erkki View Post
                              The connection between German troop placement and Soviet actions
                              Oh, yes.
                              Let us give pause for a moment and think :
                              How many German troops would there be available for the battle of France , if
                              the soviet union simply kept a ambiguous position wrt Germany in late 1939, spring 1940 ?
                              Far less than in actual timeline, I would not go as far as ShAA and label it a Eastern betrayal but it certainly did not help allied cause at all.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
                                Just started watching Russia's War-Blood Upon The Snow on Youtube. It's broken down into 10 parts. So far I'm liking it but I got to wondering how our resident experts on the RKKA here at ACG felt about it. My knowledge about the Eastern Front is superficial at best so is this documentary a good starting point or should I look elsewhere. Keep in mind I don't speak Russian, so that's one avenue that's closed although subtitles don't bother me at all.

                                Any thoughts? Recommendations?

                                Thanks in advance.

                                The 1st installment of the series:

                                Back to the topic !

                                Those are very interesting, using a lot of special effects and computer animation:
                                There are some newer docs released in the UK, in collaboration with Russia TV station 1:

                                1.) RED ARMY

                                Released in Canada on Amazon.ca
                                [URL="http://www.amazon.ca/Red-Army-Artem-Drabkin/dp/B00851EPWK/ref=sr_1_4?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1353628908&sr=1-4"][YOUTUBE]http://www.amazon.ca/Red-Army-Artem-Drabkin/dp/B00851EPWK/ref=sr_1_4?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1353628908&sr=1-4
                                From Youtube (couldn'd find the English language version)





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