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  • The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program

    Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program

    By HELENE COOPER, RALPH BLUMENTHAL and LESLIE KEANDEC. 16, 2017
    EXCERPTS:
    ...
    WASHINGTON — In the $600 billion annual Defense Department budgets, the $22 million spent on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was almost impossible to find.

    Which was how the Pentagon wanted it.

    For years, the program investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, according to Defense Department officials, interviews with program participants and records obtained by The New York Times. It was run by a military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo, on the fifth floor of the Pentagon’s C Ring, deep within the building’s maze.

    The Defense Department has never before acknowledged the existence of the program, which it says it shut down in 2012. But its backers say that, while the Pentagon ended funding for the effort at that time, the program remains in existence. For the past five years, they say, officials with the program have continued to investigate episodes brought to them by service members, while also carrying out their other Defense Department duties.

    The shadowy program — parts of it remain classified — began in 2007, and initially it was largely funded at the request of Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time and who has long had an interest in space phenomena. Most of the money went to an aerospace research company run by a billionaire entrepreneur and longtime friend of Mr. Reid’s, Robert Bigelow, who is currently working with NASA to produce expandable craft for humans to use in space.

    On CBS’s “60 Minutes” in May, Mr. Bigelow said he was “absolutely convinced” that aliens exist and that U.F.O.s have visited Earth.
    ...
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/u...arry-reid.html



    Along with the above, this also found at Drudge ...
    Navy Jet Encounters Unknown Object...
    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
    “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
    Present Current Events are the Future's History

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    • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
      ..On CBS’s “60 Minutes” in May, Mr. Bigelow said he was “absolutely convinced” that aliens exist and that U.F.O.s have visited Earth..
      Yes, eyewitness accounts of human interaction with alien visitors has been well-documented in writings over thousands of years right up to the present day, so I can't help smiling when I see astronomers and scientists scanning the night skies wondering if aliens exist, and I feel like knocking their heads together and saying "They've been and gone you dummies, to kickstart the human race into advancing physically, intellectually and spiritually!"

      "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" (Bible: Genesis 6:4)

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      • Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View Post
        Yes, eyewitness accounts of human interaction with alien visitors has been well-documented in writings over thousands of years right up to the present day, so I can't help smiling when I see astronomers and scientists scanning the night skies wondering if aliens exist, and I feel like knocking their heads together and saying "They've been and gone you dummies, to kickstart the human race into advancing physically, intellectually and spiritually!"

        "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" (Bible: Genesis 6:4)
        Well unless one is a raving creationist I don't think many regard that as a truly reliable source.
        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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        • The US government recently spent $20,000,000 finding zilch

          The Pentagon has been running a secret multi-million dollar programme to investigate Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs), US media report.
          Only a small number of officials were aware of the programme, which began in 2007 and was reportedly closed in 2012.
          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42379749
          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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          • Kids today have got questioning minds, willing to entertain the idea that earth may have been visited by aliens, hence the many TV programmes and series such as Ancient Astronauts.
            Just like the giants of old, they rise above the unthinking masses..

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            • Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View Post
              "They've been and gone you dummies, to kickstart the human race into advancing physically, intellectually and spiritually!"
              Who said they left?
              Battles are dangerous affairs... Wang Hsi

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              • Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
                Who said they left?
                Yes very good point and I was going to post this verse to illustrate it-
                "Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels unawares"- Hebrews 13:2

                but I'm not sure whether it only refers to ancient times or to all times up to our present day, what do you think?

                "Angels" are fascinating beings, the word comes from the Greek "angelos" which translates as "messenger", so their job is to act as go-betweens between God and the human race. The standard stereotype is of them having a golden glow and wings, but the fact is there are instances in the bible of them looking exactly like humans and nobody knew they were angels at first until they spoke to them and it dawned on them.
                Some have names and some don't, for example this verse is especially interesting because it suggests their names can't be understood by humans like when Manoah asked one in human form-
                "Then Manoah inquired of the angel of the Lord, 'What is your name, so that we may honor you when your word comes true?'
                He replied, "Why do you ask my name? It is beyond understanding" (Judges 13:17/18)

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                • Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View Post
                  Yes, eyewitness accounts of human interaction with alien visitors has been well-documented in writings over thousands of years right up to the present day, so I can't help smiling when I see astronomers and scientists scanning the night skies wondering if aliens exist, and I feel like knocking their heads together and saying "They've been and gone you dummies, to kickstart the human race into advancing physically, intellectually and spiritually!"

                  "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" (Bible: Genesis 6:4)
                  Bare in mind that the Jews of the Old Testament got much of Genesis from the earlier Sumerian(then Akkadian, then Babylonian) written records predating the OT by a couple thousand years. (Abraham having lineage to former Sumerian/Mesopotamian lands.)

                  IF, this part of the OT is "true", than those "sons of the gods" (note the plural), a.k.a. "ETs", would have to have the same 23 chromosome pattern DNA as the "daughters of men". Did the "sons of the gods" change their DNA to make this work or did they change human DNA to better match theirs?

                  The earliest records from Sumer, et al., suggest the later. A curious development is that nearest closet relative to humans on the evolutionary scales, the simians/apes have a 24 chromosome sequence. What was the 12 and 13 chromosome in chimps, etc. has been fused in humans to a single longer one. While we have the near 99% match of genes and DNA with our simian relatives, this fused chromosome is an interesting challenge as no known natural method for doing such has been advanced, only an "in the lab" process would seem to be an explanation.

                  I've examined this issue and similar in this thread;
                  Geminga Scenario
                  ... which I placed in the "Science Fiction" sub-forum to avoid hassles with those whom might object to it being in the "Science" area, which is where the evidence suggests it belongs.

                  BTW, not just OT implications of Extra Terrestrial appearance and/or "intervention", other cultures and religions also provide clues and cases, such as the Vedas of India.
                  TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                  “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                  Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                  • Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
                    Who said they left?
                    Exactly.

                    BTW, the "they" likely aren't a single species or culture/civilization. Accounts and records scattered about human history and especially of the past century suggest there are many "types" of "visitors". Actually, some implication they are our "landlords" so to speak.
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                    “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                    Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                    • Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                      The US government recently spent $20,000,000 finding zilch



                      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42379749
                      Or decided to report "zilch".
                      Indications are that the USA guv'mint has been "interested" and "investigating" since the "foo-fighters" of WWII, and especially after Arnold's report and the "Roswell Incident" of 1947 onward. For obvious reasons, likely not to "fully disclose" what they know and have found out.
                      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                      “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                      Present Current Events are the Future's History

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View Post
                        Yes, eyewitness accounts of human interaction with alien visitors has been well-documented in writings over thousands of years right up to the present day, so I can't help smiling when I see astronomers and scientists scanning the night skies wondering if aliens exist, and I feel like knocking their heads together and saying "They've been and gone you dummies, to kickstart the human race into advancing physically, intellectually and spiritually!"

                        "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" (Bible: Genesis 6:4)
                        “The Earth is a farm. We are someone else's property.”
                        Charles Fort
                        https://www.goodreads.com/author/quo...1.Charles_Fort

                        Charles Fort was looking into this realm about a century ago. Reports some interesting "anomalies" and had some interesting perspectives;
                        https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Charles_Fort
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fort
                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                        “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                        Present Current Events are the Future's History

                        Comment


                        • Navy pilot describes 2004 encounter with UFO off San Diego coast

                          Navy pilot describes 2004 encounter with UFO off San Diego coast

                          EXCERPT:
                          ...
                          SAN DIEGO - A Navy pilot says he encountered a mysterious aircraft off the coast of San Diego in 2004 and confirmation - and video - from the Department of Defense has kicked talk of UFOs and the possibility of alien life into overdrive.

                          The New York Times shared an interview with now-retired Cmdr. David Fravor on Saturday amid breaking news that, for the first time, a spokesperson confirmed that a program to research UFOs existed at the Pentagon.

                          Fravor's encounter was one the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program was investigating, according to reports by Times and The Washington Post.

                          This is what Fravor says happened. He and another pilot were with the USS Nimitz training in F/A-18F Super Hornets about 100 miles out in the Pacific Ocean when someone on the Navy cruiser USS Princeton contacted them by radio about mysterious aircraft.

                          The ship had been tracking objects that were described as being white, 40 feet long and shaped like Tic Tacs that would appear suddenly 80,000 feet up, then descend toward the ocean and hover at 20,000 feet before dropping out of radar range or blasting back up.

                          The ship and the pilots worked together to track one of the aircraft and when Fravor got close enough to examine one, it peeled away.
                          "It accelerated like nothing I've ever seen," he told the Times. "I have no idea what I saw."

                          The video was made public by the Department of Defense thanks to intelligence officer Luis Elizondo who says he wanted to shed light on the secret program that analyzed UFO sightings. A DoD spokesperson told the Times that the program - which was funded by Congress with tens of millions of dollar annually - ended in 2012.

                          "It was determined that there were other, higher priority issues that merited funding, and it was in the best interest of the DoD to make a change," a Pentagon spokesman, Thomas Crosson, said.
                          ...
                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/na...z&ocid=msnbcrd

                          Just one of hundreds such over the past decades~century ...
                          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                          “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                          Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                          • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                            “The Earth is a farm. We are someone else's property.”
                            Charles Fort
                            https://www.goodreads.com/author/quo...1.Charles_Fort

                            Charles Fort was looking into this realm about a century ago. Reports some interesting "anomalies" and had some interesting perspectives;
                            https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Charles_Fort
                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fort
                            If you can keep the 'Native Tribes' of your Colonies fighting among themselves, you will need rather small Garrisons. ...
                            ... 7th Intra-Galactic Fleet Admiral Commander Suang Tzuze, OISHE
                            (Order of Inter-Stellar Hierarchy Efficiency)
                            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                            “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                            Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                            • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                              Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program

                              By HELENE COOPER, RALPH BLUMENTHAL and LESLIE KEANDEC. 16, 2017
                              EXCERPTS:
                              ...
                              WASHINGTON — In the $600 billion annual Defense Department budgets, the $22 million spent on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was almost impossible to find.

                              Which was how the Pentagon wanted it.

                              For years, the program investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, according to Defense Department officials, interviews with program participants and records obtained by The New York Times. It was run by a military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo, on the fifth floor of the Pentagon’s C Ring, deep within the building’s maze.

                              The Defense Department has never before acknowledged the existence of the program, which it says it shut down in 2012. But its backers say that, while the Pentagon ended funding for the effort at that time, the program remains in existence. For the past five years, they say, officials with the program have continued to investigate episodes brought to them by service members, while also carrying out their other Defense Department duties.

                              The shadowy program — parts of it remain classified — began in 2007, and initially it was largely funded at the request of Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time and who has long had an interest in space phenomena. Most of the money went to an aerospace research company run by a billionaire entrepreneur and longtime friend of Mr. Reid’s, Robert Bigelow, who is currently working with NASA to produce expandable craft for humans to use in space.

                              On CBS’s “60 Minutes” in May, Mr. Bigelow said he was “absolutely convinced” that aliens exist and that U.F.O.s have visited Earth.
                              ...
                              https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/u...arry-reid.html



                              Along with the above, this also found at Drudge ...
                              Navy Jet Encounters Unknown Object...
                              Hmmm ...


                              On the Trail of a Secret Pentagon U.F.O. Program

                              By RALPH BLUMENTHAL DEC. 18, 2017
                              EXCERPTS:
                              ...
                              Our readers are plenty interested in unidentified flying objects. We know that from the huge response to our front-page Sunday article (published online just after noon on Saturday) revealing a secret Pentagon program to investigate U.F.O.s. The piece, by the Pentagon correspondent Helene Cooper, the author Leslie Kean and myself — a contributor to The Times after a 45-year staff career — has dominated the most emailed and most viewed lists since.

                              So how does a story on U.F.O.s get into The New York Times? Not easily, and only after a great deal of vetting, I assure you.

                              The journey began two and a half months ago with a tip to Leslie, who has long reported on U.F.O.s and published a 2010 New York Times best seller, “UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go on the Record.” At a confidential meeting Oct. 4 in a Pentagon City hotel with several present and former intelligence officials and a defense contractor, she met Luis Elizondo, the director of a Pentagon program she had never heard of: the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.

                              She learned it was a secret effort, funded at the initiative of the then Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, starting in 2007, to investigate aerial threats including what the military preferred to call “unidentified aerial phenomena” or just “objects.” This was big news because the United States military had announced as far back as 1969 that U.F.O.s were not worth studying. Leslie also learned that Mr. Elizondo had just resigned to protest what he characterized as excessive secrecy and internal opposition — the reason for the meeting.

                              She spent hours with him reviewing unclassified documents, for the $22 million program operated largely “in the white” (that is, not under special restricted access), but hidden in the huge defense budget, with only parts of it classified. A few days later Mr. Elizondo and others there — including Harold E. Puthoff, an engineer who has conducted research on extrasensory perception for the C.I.A. and later worked as a contractor on the program, and Christopher K. Mellon, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence — announced they were joining a new commercial venture, To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, to raise money for research into U.F.O.s. Leslie wrote it up for the Huffington Post with scant details of the program.

                              I had known Leslie for years, and she told me this looked like a story for The Times. I agreed. Leslie and I met with Mr. Elizondo in Philadelphia on Oct. 31. Three days later, I emailed the executive editor, Dean Baquet, about “a sensational and highly confidential time-sensitive story” that I said “involves a senior U.S. intelligence official who abruptly quit last month” exposing “a deeply secret program, long mythologized but now confirmed.”
                              ...
                              It was important that we not take anything on faith. This field attracts zealots as well as debunkers, and many Americans remain deeply skeptical that the phenomenon exists as popularly portrayed. In draft after draft, we took pains to let the investigation speak for itself, without bias.

                              Helene met with a Pentagon spokesperson on Dec. 8 for a response to the information we had gathered. The answer came swiftly. There had been a program to investigate U.F.O.s, but it ended in 2012 after five years, the Defense Department insisted.

                              Our reporting suggested it continues, largely unfunded, to the present. And that’s what we wrote.
                              ...
                              https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/i...m.html?src=twr

                              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                              “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                              Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                              • So! I hear some US Navy pilots were out-flown by a tic-tac 'no flavour specified'.... A US Fighter out-manoeuvred by a squashed fly 'possible Blue Bottle' on the HUD...
                                Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                                Doesn't quite match the sunflowerts in my garden unless one pulls off evfery second to third petal, etc. ...
                                Whatever it is, It has a Japanese smell about it and perhaps a helium filling. It also has a fine piece of cord/wire hanging off what must be its rear....

                                Paul
                                Last edited by Dibble201Bty; 20 Dec 17, 23:20.
                                ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                                All human ills he can subdue,
                                Or with a bauble or medal
                                Can win mans heart for you;
                                And many a blessing know to stew
                                To make a megloamaniac bright;
                                Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                                The Pixie is a little shite.

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