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  • Originally posted by Achtung Baby View Post
    Roswell is fast becoming a lame duck for ufology, no one can come up with any smoking gun evidence because there isn't any. The recent episode of the claimed slide of a alien body/mummy was shot down faster than a military balloon.

    The true believers are forced to hypothesize in order to keep things within the realms of faith and magic. So at the end of the day no amount of rational input no longer qualifies. I'm sure a few more "deathbed confessions" will keep this going in years to come.
    Admittedly full of contradictions, often based on which side of the issue one is listening to. The Wiki page that follows has a slight "anti" tilt in it's authorship but still covers most of the sources and views, for those wanting more;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_Incident
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    • A rather interesting clip of footage here;
      US government films UFO over Puerto Rico

      The US Department of Homeland Security has recorded a four-minute video of a mysterious object.
      The footage, which was investigated and released online by a group known as the 'Scientific Coalition for Ufology', shows a peculiar object moving at speed over fields, roads and open water.

      The incident is believed to have occurred on the morning of April 25 2013 at the Rafael Hernandez Airport in Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. The thermal camera footage was recorded by the crew of a DHC-8 Turboprop aircraft from US Customs and Border Protection.

      The group responsible for releasing the footage claims to have spent two years investigating it with the co-operation of several prominent scientists before finally making it available to the public.

      "Assuming the video isn't a clever hoax - which is always a possibility these days - it's a fascinating piece of footage," said Nick Pope, former UFO investigator for the British Ministry of Defence.
      ...
      http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...er-puerto-rico
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      • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
        Admittedly full of contradictions, often based on which side of the issue one is listening to. The Wiki page that follows has a slight "anti" tilt in it's authorship but still covers most of the sources and views, for those wanting more;
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_Incident
        It relies too much on eyewitness testimonies, or these days stories passed down from deceased family members. Which in itself is fraught with inaccuracies and exaggerations, especially with such a "famous" incident that is pretty part of folk law now.... which unfortunately may encourage those to embellish the story even more.
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        • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
          A combination of "disruptions" in form of local electrical storms and possible "radiation/EMP" effects of USA radar devices, and/or 'other' ...

          Our fly;ers crash upon occasion, there isn't a 'proof' that more advanced tech doesn't have more weak links to defect, have the occasional "crash" ...

          The "Mogul ballon" carrying "crash test dumies" is such a lame fabrication full of holes, only the "true non-Believers" in an E.T. activity would buy/believe in it.
          One would think that the technology for such a civilization would have advanced so far as to make Roswell-type crashes (especially between two craft) essentially unheard of. However, various individuals and organizations have claimed over the years that there have been dozens of such crashes. Therefore, logic dictates that one or more explanations must be true:
          1. The people coming up with this stuff must not exactly be telling the truth

          2. The hyper-advanced alien craft are being shot down

          3. The number of alien sorties over Earth is so huge that crashes actually are a tiny minority

          4. Aliens are just bad pilots in general

          Now, going through those explanations, which one seems the most likely? ...
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          • Roswell only highlights the shoddy investigative work by those with vested interests, and the shifting eyewitness testimonies over the passage of time. Project Mogul disappoints many ufologists because it's boring, no alien wreckage, no alien bodies, nothing....
            "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
            Ernest Hemingway.

            Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a heaven for?

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            • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
              One would think that the technology for such a civilization would have advanced so far as to make Roswell-type crashes (especially between two craft) essentially unheard of. However, various individuals and organizations have claimed over the years that there have been dozens of such crashes. Therefore, logic dictates that one or more explanations must be true:
              Before the four you listed, consider;

              You are a department within the Godswell Galactic Civilization, one of the larger players in the Greater Galactic Community. Your department is with in the Galactic Antopological Survey Agency, and on the tail-end of guv'mint funding; hence you have to accept out-of-date, obsolete, no-longer-produced equipment for which spare parts are hard to find and of questionable efficiency. As the "bastard" department operating with cast-off gear, and limited budget, does it really seem that equip failures are so hard to imagine ???
              Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
              1. The people coming up with this stuff must not exactly be telling the truth
              A) As with any human endeavor/enterprise, some small few will look for ways to exploit and "play the system" for personal gain/profit.

              B) The majority of witnesses/observers of UFO Sightings tend to be average citizens wioth little to no training as observers. Hence essential details often missing or garbled and the "event" of limited usefulness.

              C) Given indication we may be dealing with a few to several score of ET-Alien Spiecies/Civilizations/Orgs, etc. it's possible some of "Them" may be trying to obscure the data/signal of their activities.

              Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
              2. The hyper-advanced alien craft are being shot down
              Here we may be seeing only a few at most as the result of Human/Terrestrial weapons/devices. As pointed out above, givne the diversity of "ET~Aliens" operative in this star system, most of the "shoot downs" could be by fellow ET-Aliens upon themselves ...

              Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
              3. The number of alien sorties over Earth is so huge that crashes actually are a tiny minority
              This might actual apply. If their are scores of "ET~Alien" 'Orgs' operating about Earth with a range of equipment of varied age, condition, ability then there migh tbe that statistical expectation of defects dropping out of the skies over time ...

              Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
              4. Aliens are just bad pilots in general
              Classic NTSB cop-out! I doubt these are the best pilots the ET-Aliens have available, but hopefully not their worse ...

              See above "hypothetical" of obscure and underfunded "guv'mint" agency and secondary departments within that coul dexplain many to most of the "UFO" activity above Earth ...
              Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
              Now, going through those explanations, which one seems the most likely? ...
              All the above and one or two not mentioned ...
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              • Well Mr Bock I don't buy it at all but you might find this interesting...


                Aliens came to Earth to stop nuclear war between the United States and Russia, former astronaut Edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the moon, is claiming.

                "My own experience talking to people has made it clear the ETs had been attempting to keep us from going to war and help create peace on Earth," Mitchell, a veteran of the 1971 Apollo 14 mission, told the British tabloid site Mirror Online.

                Mitchell, who has proclaimed his belief in space aliens since his moonwalk, claimed that top ranking military sources have spotted UFO during weapons tests, and had seen spaceships flying over the White Sands facility in New Mexico, the site of the first nuclear bomb testing in 1945.

                Mitchell said he grew up in New Mexico near White Sands and Roswell, the reputed crash site of an alien spaceship, and told Mirror Online that "you don't know the area like I do. White Sands was a testing ground for atomic weapons, and that's what the extraterrestrials were interested in. They wanted to know about our military capabilities."

                The former astronaut said he has heard similar stories from Air Force officers who worked at the missile silos during the Cold War, who told him "UFOs were frequently seen overhead and disabled their missiles."

                He also claimed other officers from bases on the Pacific Coast complained about their test missiles being shot down by alien aircraft.

                Nick Pope, a former Ministry of Defense UFO researcher, told Mirror Online that he believes Mitchell to be "an honorable and truthful man" but his information has come from other sources, not what he's seen himself.

                "He's had access to government, military and intelligence community personnel at the highest level, but because, quite understandably, he won't name his sources, we can't be certain these people were being straight with him, or indeed that they were privy to any classified information about UFOs," said Pope.

                And aliens that stopped war is a "nice thought," said Pope, but "it's almost exactly the plot of the classic 1951 sci-fi movie 'The Day the Earth Stood Still'."

                More likely, he said, the sightings around nuclear facilities or military bases involved spy planes.

                http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/nas.../15/id/670258/

                Btw I've got a gold claim that I'd like to sell you...
                Credo quia absurdum.


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                • Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                  More likely, he said, the sightings around nuclear facilities or military bases involved spy planes.

                  http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/nas.../15/id/670258/

                  Btw I've got a gold claim that I'd like to sell you...
                  Impossible, since the craft involved maneuver at G forces humans cannot withstand and which defy our technical capabilities.

                  UFOlogists are "bored" with Project Mogul because as an explanation for Roswell the Air Force might as well have blamed Disneyland. Have you ever looked at the timelines and the equipment and compared them to Roswell? I have, and it's a joke, quite possibly the lamest attempt ever by the government to match something to Roswell to explain it away

                  For starters, why was already "known" technology crated up and shipped under heavy security all the way to Wright Patterson AFB if this was only a false sighting of an existing program? None of the materials used in MOGUL were classified.

                  Come on, Bwaha...use you head.
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                  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Impossible, since the craft involved maneuver at G forces humans cannot withstand and which defy our technical capabilities.

                    UFOlogists are "bored" with Project Mogul because as an explanation for Roswell the Air Force might as well have blamed Disneyland. Have you ever looked at the timelines and the equipment and compared them to Roswell? I have, and it's a joke, quite possibly the lamest attempt ever by the government to match something to Roswell to explain it away

                    For starters, why was already "known" technology crated up and shipped under heavy security all the way to Wright Patterson AFB if this was only a false sighting of an existing program? None of the materials used in MOGUL were classified.

                    Come on, Bwaha...use you head.
                    ^

                    In the case of ICBM (Minuteman) silos/sites, there was interference with the communications and controls of the missiles from the command bunkers. Definitely not part of available human tech on "spy planes" of the era.

                    The reported "security extremes" of Roswell don't jell with the non-classified nature of the latest(third) official explanation.
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                    • Ah Malmstrom, another example of of bad ufology... once an industry to filter out falsehood has now become a conduit for propaganda. The story is full of contradictions from both sides, but the guy who mentions "UFOs' should be taken more seriously.... smells of confirmation bias don't you think?
                      "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
                      Ernest Hemingway.

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                      • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
                        One would think that the technology for such a civilization would have advanced so far as to make Roswell-type crashes (especially between two craft) essentially unheard of. However, various individuals and organizations have claimed over the years that there have been dozens of such crashes. Therefore, logic dictates that one or more explanations must be true:
                        1. The people coming up with this stuff must not exactly be telling the truth

                        2. The hyper-advanced alien craft are being shot down

                        3. The number of alien sorties over Earth is so huge that crashes actually are a tiny minority

                        4. Aliens are just bad pilots in general
                        Now, going through those explanations, which one seems the most likely? ...
                        All of the above.

                        Based on performance, it has been repeatedly postulated that UFO's are most likely drones, which do have accidents from time to time. Especially since we're a planet full of heavily armed, homicidal maniacs, impossible to accurately predict.

                        The Roswell Explanation" is the biggest load of bull crap ever foisted onto the American public. The second biggest was the Warren Commission report.

                        Before everyone forgets, the Air Force issued official guidelines for handling UFO incidents after Roswell, and the government formed MAJESTIC 12. Kind of an odd reaction to a weather balloon carrying microphones.

                        Let's put it another way - if you actually believe the Roswell story as told by the government, you are the Guinness Book of Records biggest dupe. The story changed repeatedly as the government tried to find a workable line of BS, and none of it holds together for a moment.

                        Something happened at Roswell. If you don't like the concept of a UFO, figure out what else it could have been, but DON'T ever try to sell the idea that the government told the truth. That hasn't happened in our lifetimes.
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                        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          All of the above.

                          Based on performance, it has been repeatedly postulated that UFO's are most likely drones, which do have accidents from time to time. Especially since we're a planet full of heavily armed, homicidal maniacs, impossible to accurately predict.

                          The Roswell Explanation" is the biggest load of bull crap ever foisted onto the American public. The second biggest was the Warren Commission report.

                          Before everyone forgets, the Air Force issued official guidelines for handling UFO incidents after Roswell, and the government formed MAJESTIC 12. Kind of an odd reaction to a weather balloon carrying microphones.

                          Let's put it another way - if you actually believe the Roswell story as told by the government, you are the Guinness Book of Records biggest dupe. The story changed repeatedly as the government tried to find a workable line of BS, and none of it holds together for a moment.

                          Something happened at Roswell. If you don't like the concept of a UFO, figure out what else it could have been, but DON'T ever try to sell the idea that the government told the truth. That hasn't happened in our lifetimes.
                          So you are comfortable with unsubstantiated facts and no proof what so ever of aliens. Sadly you make yourself the bigger dupe here.
                          "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
                          Ernest Hemingway.

                          Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a heaven for?

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                          • Originally posted by Achtung Baby View Post
                            Ah Malmstrom, another example of of bad ufology... once an industry to filter out falsehood has now become a conduit for propaganda. The story is full of contradictions from both sides, but the guy who mentions "UFOs' should be taken more seriously.... smells of confirmation bias don't you think?
                            That's one of the episodes I was thinking of ...
                            http://www.cufon.org/cufon/malmstrom/malm1.htm
                            http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case1017.htm
                            More links available to a web search using; Malmstrom - UFO episode
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                            • FWIW, and likely this op-ed will resonant with some ...
                              Whatever happened to UFO sightings?

                              http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techno...ngs/ar-AAdTqMI
                              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                              “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
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                              • A couple related links, this first is more for the content lower down in the article of "early" UFO photos, many predate the Arnold Sighting that started the "flying Saucer" era ...
                                http://www.express.co.uk/news/scienc...tacted-ETs-yet

                                This is another occasion when a NASA orbital camera "caught" something and the feed was turned off;
                                http://www.express.co.uk/news/scienc...ry-glowing-UFO
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                                “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                                Present Current Events are the Future's History

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