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    Some assumptions predict that eventually technology will implode.

    Be it be from a natural or an a-natural cause, I heard many black tales of how humanity will be pushed back to the stone age, or at least the 19th century.

    My question is if there was ever a precedent of human technology moving backwards as time progresses?

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    After the fall of the Roman Empire, western technology declined significantly during the Dark Ages.

    Off the top of my head, I can't think of a global technological decline having happened.
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    • #3
      Never mind, I'll take regional examples as well

      Though I knew that during the Dark Ages technology was "frozen"
      I didn't know it actually went backwards, can you elaborate on it?

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      • #4
        If we were to be hit by a series of major solar flare in the near future, the EMP effect could burn out almost every electronic device currently in use as well as most of the power grid around the world.

        Currently, solar activity has declined to the lowest level ever observed. It is long overdue to explode to an extreme level in order to balance out the cycle.

        http://www.2012supplies.com/what_is_...lar_maxim.html

        All communications would cease to exist. All cars using electronic ignition and computer control would be dead. Only older generators, tractors, and other gasoline and diesel powered engines, that didn't rely on any electronics to function, would be still functional. The massive disruption of transportation and communications would, at first, create mass shock and disbelief, then, in a few days, the panic, looting, and food riots would start.

        In shirt, all of our modern devices that we depend upon for our lives would be destroyed in seconds. There would be nothing to replace them for several years.

        Those that survive would be the ones that have the escape plan and are able to put it into effect before the riots and looting started.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
          If we were to be hit by a series of major solar flare in the near future, the EMP effect could burn out almost every electronic device currently in use as well as most of the power grid around the world.

          Currently, solar activity has declined to the lowest level ever observed. It is long overdue to explode to an extreme level in order to balance out the cycle.

          http://www.2012supplies.com/what_is_...lar_maxim.html

          All communications would cease to exist. All cars using electronic ignition and computer control would be dead. Only older generators, tractors, and other gasoline and diesel powered engines, that didn't rely on any electronics to function, would be still functional. The massive disruption of transportation and communications would, at first, create mass shock and disbelief, then, in a few days, the panic, looting, and food riots would start.

          In shirt, all of our modern devices that we depend upon for our lives would be destroyed in seconds. There would be nothing to replace them for several years.

          Those that survive would be the ones that have the escape plan and are able to put it into effect before the riots and looting started.
          Ron just a comment about the site, "2012 Supplies"?? "Hopi prophecy" and "Kali Yuga"?

          Anyway the first article from NASA is from 2006 and while I am not saying these guys are wrong (the second article gives more current info) has any sign of greater solar activity been observed? The first mentions 2007, the second mentions we could have an early warning system and precautions could be taken but that the satellite we have now is not working very well.

          Aynway interesting stuff in general.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Golani View Post
            Never mind, I'll take regional examples as well

            Though I knew that during the Dark Ages technology was "frozen"
            I didn't know it actually went backwards, can you elaborate on it?
            One example: We "forgot" how to make concrete.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by joea View Post
              Ron just a comment about the site, "2012 Supplies"?? "Hopi prophecy" and "Kali Yuga"?

              Anyway the first article from NASA is from 2006 and while I am not saying these guys are wrong (the second article gives more current info) has any sign of greater solar activity been observed? The first mentions 2007, the second mentions we could have an early warning system and precautions could be taken but that the satellite we have now is not working very well.

              Aynway interesting stuff in general.
              The mass coronal ejection (BIG A$$ SOLAR FLARE) of 1859 would have been devastating if it happened today...
              [...]

              In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar effects at the South Pole.

              [...]

              Back in 1859 the invention of the telegraph was only 15 years old and society's electrical framework was truly in its infancy. A 1994 solar storm caused major malfunctions to two communications satellites, disrupting newspaper, network television and nationwide radio service throughout Canada. Other storms have affected systems ranging from cell phone service and TV signals to GPS systems and electrical power grids. In March 1989, a solar storm much less intense than the perfect space storm of 1859 caused the Hydro-Quebec (Canada) power grid to go down for over nine hours, and the resulting damages and loss in revenue were estimated to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

              "The question I get asked most often is, 'Could a perfect space storm happen again, and when?'" added Tsurutani. "I tell people it could, and it could very well be even more intense than what transpired in 1859. As for when, we simply do not know," he said.

              NASA
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              • #8
                What often happened is not so much a loss of technological knowledge but a breakdown of ways to coordinate and implement that knowledge, for example due to social collapse or the collapse of centralized control. The loss of water conveyance or transportation systems often happens--the technological know-how could still be there, but there was no way to pull it together and make it work.

                The Romans are a specific example--a large part of their technological might was the ability to harness widely dispersed resources and specialist knowledge and put them into action with massive pool of enslaved labor. When that capability broke down--there went irrigation systems, aqueducts, the road system, etc., followed by the enterprises that depended on them--agriculture, long-distance overland trade, a large-scale professional military, etc.

                Another example might be the Maya.
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                • #9
                  Another example would be the ancient civilization that built Ankhor Wat. They over-used their water system, and the whole thing fell apart, starting with their critical transportation network.

                  The Anazazi also come readily to mind. Once drought settled in, their elaborate culture and civilization lasted only a few short years before failing entirely.

                  The more technologically advanced a society is, the more vulnerable it is to any major failure of that technology.
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                  • #10
                    That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger can rebound and bite ya on the ass

                    We have survived for so long, but have gotten so fragile in the process.

                    I think mankind is sure heading for a very real possible chance at a massive collapse.

                    I don't think today's society is all that 'safe'.

                    I'd rather be sitting back in a time where everyone was more self sufficient.
                    Granted life was harsher and shorter.

                    But I can't stop thinking we are just constantly rolling the dice waiting to see how long it takes to crap out.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by les Brains View Post
                      That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger can rebound and bite ya on the ass

                      We have survived for so long, but have gotten so fragile in the process.

                      I think mankind is sure heading for a very real possible chance at a massive collapse.

                      I don't think today's society is all that 'safe'.

                      I'd rather be sitting back in a time where everyone was more self sufficient.
                      Granted life was harsher and shorter.

                      But I can't stop thinking we are just constantly rolling the dice waiting to see how long it takes to crap out.
                      2 more years, according to the experts. All of our troubles will be over in 2012.
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                      • #12
                        Even the Egyptians couldn't replicate the Great Pyramid (GP) which is one of the oldest pyramids even by modern archeological dogma. Most of what people call pyramids are just piles of rubble because they failed the test of time. Likewise, the GP was the tallest man made structure in the world for at least 4000 years (more likely 10,000+ years).

                        There are those who claim we have the technology to build a GP now, but no one has ever even remotely demonstrated that claim to be true, let alone built so much as a large scale model to demonstrate such claims.

                        The GP is about 2,500,000 cubic meters in volume of precision cut stones. By comparison, Hoover dam is about 3,600,000 cubic meters of poured concrete.

                        If you do think we can build a GP today, then at exactly what point in history did our technology catch up with the builders of the GP?
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                        • #13
                          Greece - circa 1250-1150 BC

                          I was just listening to a brief lecture on a period known as the "Greek Dark Ages" which occured shortly after the fall of Troy. There appears to have been a loss of Bronze age developments including the loss of written language (which would not resurface in Greece until they adopted a Phoenician based alphabet hundreds of years later). The period coincided with a drop in trade. In fact, it appears that Greece is no longer mentioned at all in other NON-GREEK sources. Archeological remains show that artistic and creative knowledge disappeared. Mosaic art stops being made, pottery is clearly no longer imported (and neither is anything else), and the pottery and that is created during the time period is less sophisticated. Burial grounds become less ornate and evidence of any architectural accomplishments are non-existent.

                          Here is a link to the lost language : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_B

                          I will probably keep modifying this post later.

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                          • #14
                            Linear A & B are lost and never revived.
                            Representative art in the form of Frescos are lost.
                            They still know how to farm and weave.

                            It has been hypothesized that the Mycenyan civilization was too dependent on foreign trade routes, and that natural disaster (like earthquakes) may have dissrupted the flow of trade goods and that caused a form of "Systems collapse" where like a string of dominoes falling, everything begins to break down.

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                            • #15
                              Human space travel was the first thing I thought of, or at least American, Human, Orbital space travel.
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