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  • #31
    95% of Climate Models Agree: The Observations Must be Wrong
    http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/...must-be-wrong/

    There is a nice graph in the link comparing the actual data to the failed model predictions (propaganda feed).

    This guy is not a physicist, but he works for NASA and has a Ph.D. in Meteorology so he has direct access to climate data/info. Read his bio.

    The failure of so many models (and the wide variability of their results) is PROOF that we don't have a clear understanding of global climate. Even if you average the results they are wrong because they were contrived to produce a result.

    Also note these models can't predict the past (e.g. beginning and end of last ice age). "If you can't explain the past, you can't predict the future."


    I'm sure Nick will find some seemingly nefarious association to discount yet another scientist without using science facts in the process.


    Last edited by Pirate-Drakk; 21 Sep 17, 00:12.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      How much pollution are you willing to accept to maintain or improve your current standard of living?
      Excellent question!


      However, take it one step further and ask how fast is pollution diluted in our environment. "The solution to pollution is dilution".

      Toxic things have an LD50 number (Lethal Dose for 50% of a population...). As the concentration goes down, the hazard is reduced, as per radiation as well.

      I don't see a lot of "ground breaking" research in this global pollution management area as it is a difficult problem to address.

      But simple compared to global climate factors which could include extra-solar effects we know nothing about...yet...
      Last edited by Pirate-Drakk; 21 Sep 17, 00:33.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
        95% of Climate Models Agree: The Observations Must be Wrong
        http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/...must-be-wrong/

        There is a nice graph in the link comparing the actual data to the failed model predictions (propaganda feed).

        This guy is not a physicist, but he works for NASA and has a Ph.D. in Meteorology so he has direct access to climate data/info. Read his bio.

        The failure of so many models (and the wide variability of their results) is PROOF that we don't have a clear understanding of global climate. Even if you average the results they are wrong because they were contrived to produce a result.

        Also note these models can't predict the past (e.g. beginning and end of last ice age). "If you can't explain the past, you can't predict the future."


        I'm sure Nick will find some seemingly nefarious association to discount yet another scientist without using science facts in the process.


        As soon as I see style over substance..................
        How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: http://grist.org/series/skeptics/
        Global Warming & Climate Change Myths: https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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        • #34
          Here's an interesting variant on "Anthropogenic Climate Change", which some might assign to "Conspiracy Theory", but there is some foundation and substance here, even if not to the extent this link claims. Main point here is that we humans may not know enough to try fixing what isn't broken or changing systems for suppossed improvement.

          Geoengineering Affects You, Your Environment, and Your Loved Ones

          Geoengineering Watch
          http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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          • #35
            Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
            Here's an interesting variant on "Anthropogenic Climate Change", which some might assign to "Conspiracy Theory", but there is some foundation and substance here, even if not to the extent this link claims. Main point here is that we humans may not know enough to try fixing what isn't broken or changing systems for suppossed improvement.

            Geoengineering Affects You, Your Environment, and Your Loved Ones

            Geoengineering Watch
            http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
            Chem trails? Really?

            Best to use actual scientific websites, such as NASA, BBC etc, all those that Trump hates.
            How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: http://grist.org/series/skeptics/
            Global Warming & Climate Change Myths: https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
              Chem trails? Really?

              Best to use actual scientific websites, such as NASA, BBC etc, all those that Trump hates.
              BBC a scientific website ???
              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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              • #37
                Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                BBC a scientific website ???
                Exactly what Donald states.
                How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: http://grist.org/series/skeptics/
                Global Warming & Climate Change Myths: https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
                  Chem trails? Really?
                  Yah, Really!


                  Actually, "chem" trails which are trails of WATER VAPOR (yes, water is a chemical...) actually contribute to Cooling the planet.

                  High altitude clouds reflect light away from the Earth during the day, and most "chem-trails" are generated at high altitude on the day-light side of the planet. At night, they do little to contain heat radiating from the surface, and soon dissipate anyway, or we would live in a world of constant high level overcast clouds. We don't.

                  Note that the CO2 (1/2 or less of the water exhaust) that goes with those chem-trails are already "taxed" and are completely invisible, while the WATER effect is highly visible...both to the naked eye and the planet.


                  There is, however, some small amount of actual pollution generated by those jet engines, as they are not 100% efficient.

                  What is the price of humanity?
                  Battles are dangerous affairs... Wang Hsi

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
                    Yah, Really!


                    Actually, "chem" trails which are trails of WATER VAPOR (yes, water is a chemical...) actually contribute to Cooling the planet.

                    High altitude clouds reflect light away from the Earth during the day, and most "chem-trails" are generated at high altitude on the day-light side of the planet. At night, they do little to contain heat radiating from the surface, and soon dissipate anyway, or we would live in a world of constant high level overcast clouds. We don't.

                    Note that the CO2 (1/2 or less of the water exhaust) that goes with those chem-trails are already "taxed" and are completely invisible, while the WATER effect is highly visible...both to the naked eye and the planet.


                    There is, however, some small amount of actual pollution generated by those jet engines, as they are not 100% efficient.

                    What is the price of humanity?
                    Chem trails are attributed to aircraft by the conspiracy nutters, et al. In reality these are just contrails left by jet aircraft. The clouds formed by contrails are now thought to be responsible for as much as 10% of climate change, possibly more.

                    Contrails were largely ignored and unstudied as a source of warming prior to 9/11. After that, when the NOAA got great data for the days there were no commercial flights in the US, things got serious about studying them.

                    https://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley...04/04-140.html

                    https://phys.org/news/2011-03-airpla...emissions.html

                    Now, the fix for this is cheap and easy making it unpalatable to the environmental Left. You simply have aircraft fly at altitudes where they don't form.

                    Of note, contrails only became something that was occurring with any regularity starting in the 1940's...

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
                      Yah, Really!


                      Actually, "chem" trails which are trails of WATER VAPOR (yes, water is a chemical...) actually contribute to Cooling the planet.

                      High altitude clouds reflect light away from the Earth during the day, and most "chem-trails" are generated at high altitude on the day-light side of the planet. At night, they do little to contain heat radiating from the surface, and soon dissipate anyway, or we would live in a world of constant high level overcast clouds. We don't.

                      Note that the CO2 (1/2 or less of the water exhaust) that goes with those chem-trails are already "taxed" and are completely invisible, while the WATER effect is highly visible...both to the naked eye and the planet.


                      There is, however, some small amount of actual pollution generated by those jet engines, as they are not 100% efficient.

                      What is the price of humanity?
                      The BBC produced a program concerning 'Global Dimming' after 9.11, as it appeared the planet suddenly warmed up due to a cut in flights.

                      However, the BBC is apparently a Fake News outlet, at least according to one President.
                      How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: http://grist.org/series/skeptics/
                      Global Warming & Climate Change Myths: https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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                      • #41
                        Interstingly Attenborough says in this interview that unless humans act, "the natural world will do something" but I'm not sure what he means-


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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View Post
                          Interstingly Attenborough says in this interview that unless humans act, "the natural world will do something" but I'm not sure what he means-


                          If he really believes what he said, he should have removed himself from the gene-pool and food chain decades ago. Just another barmy liberal hypocite wasting human skin here.
                          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
                            The BBC produced a program concerning 'Global Dimming' after 9.11, as it appeared the planet suddenly warmed up due to a cut in flights.

                            However, the BBC is apparently a Fake News outlet, at least according to one President.
                            A few days' weather variation does not a climate trend make or prove.

                            Like most other "news sources", the BBC has an agenda and a bias, which is what is meant when one refers to such as "fake".
                            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                              Here's an interesting variant on "Anthropogenic Climate Change", which some might assign to "Conspiracy Theory", but there is some foundation and substance here, even if not to the extent this link claims. Main point here is that we humans may not know enough to try fixing what isn't broken or changing systems for suppossed improvement.

                              Geoengineering Affects You, Your Environment, and Your Loved Ones

                              Geoengineering Watch
                              http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
                              Another variant;
                              Scientists 'able to CONTROL the weather using LASERS'

                              SCIENTISTS have discovered a bizarre way to potentially control the weather using laser beams and could potentially beat the threat of droughts, it has been revealed.

                              http://www.express.co.uk/news/scienc...oud-california
                              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                              • #45
                                Starving kids in Africa... Here's the answer...

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