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  • #76
    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
    Same in a way applies here actually - it just seems to be handled in a bit different manner. The teacher training (and practice) for the subject teachers is part of the expanded minor of pedagogy that i discussed earlier.
    I participate in a writer's group here. A number of the participants are teachers. Their level of knowledge on science and technology is execrable. They have difficulty with even some of the most basic concepts. It's truly sad, and they're the ones teaching our kids...

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    • #77
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      When it takes a lifetime to get something in the air, often at a cost of billions of dollars, it becomes a venture few, if any, can or will participate in.
      And without mass interest and participation, you will never have the political pressure to make it happen.
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • #78
        Keeping things interesting ...

        BREAKING Pressure sensors detected a depressurization in the International Space Station possibly caused by a micrometeorite impact
        ...
        Pressure sensors detected a depressurization in the International Space Station (ISS) on Wednesday night.

        The crew had to search for a leak, which was eventually traced to the Russian space capsule docked with the station.

        The leak was found in the Soyuz craft, which is docked with the ISS, reported Russian space chief Dmitry Rogozin. The official said air was being sucked out through a 1.5mm fracture, which may have been caused by a micrometeorite impact.
        “The crew safety is not in danger,” he said. “The spaceship will be kept, a repair kit will be used.”
        ...
        https://www.airlive.net/breaking-pre...eorite-impact/
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        • #79
          Close call! Thankfully the crew is safe;
          Miracle escape for Space Station astronauts as rocket fails mid-launch...

          Harrowing 7G 'ballistic re-entry'...


          Video...

          Russia 'launches criminal investigation'...

          NASA exploring flying space station without crew...
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          • #80
            NASA Approves Space Plane For Future Missions To The ISS

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            A miniature space plane designed to take cargo to the International Space Station (ISS) has been approved by NASA to begin production, with a possible first flight in late 2020.

            Called the Dream Chaser, the vehicle is being built by the Sierra Nevada Corporation (SNC) from Sparks, Nevada as part of a NASA Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) 2 contract. Yesterday, Tuesday December 18, SNC revealed their spacecraft had passed a key review, and development could now move forward in earnest.
            ....
            Dream Chaser is a reusable space plane that’s about four times smaller than the Space Shuttle, measuring about nine meters (30 feet) long. It would launch on top of a rocket, namely the Atlas V, to reach space.
            ....
            https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonatha...o-the-iss/amp/
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            • #81
              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
              NASA Approves Space Plane For Future Missions To The ISS

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              A miniature space plane designed to take cargo to the International Space Station (ISS) has been approved by NASA to begin production, with a possible first flight in late 2020.

              Called the Dream Chaser, the vehicle is being built by the Sierra Nevada Corporation (SNC) from Sparks, Nevada as part of a NASA Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) 2 contract. Yesterday, Tuesday December 18, SNC revealed their spacecraft had passed a key review, and development could now move forward in earnest.
              ....
              Dream Chaser is a reusable space plane that’s about four times smaller than the Space Shuttle, measuring about nine meters (30 feet) long. It would launch on top of a rocket, namely the Atlas V, to reach space.
              ....
              https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonatha...o-the-iss/amp/
              So instead of being involved in space exploration, NASA is putting it's shrinking budget to maintenance on an international project which generates little or no mass appeal to voters.

              No sex appeal.

              You want to make space cool again? Free it from the icy death-grip of bureaucrats.

              The Apollo program had a goal that was marketed on national and generational pride. That made it cool.

              Stories about 1.5mm leaks are not going to cut it.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #82
                ^ Didn't post the above in this thread for the "cool" factor, rather because this is most recent and active thread dealing with space travel and activities ...

                BTW, finding ways to make Space profitable and provide new technologies and/or devices would likely work better than just good PR of being "cool".
                Whiskey for my men, and beer for my horses.
                TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                  ^ Didn't post the above in this thread for the "cool" factor, rather because this is most recent and active thread dealing with space travel and activities ...

                  BTW, finding ways to make Space profitable and provide new technologies and/or devices would likely work better than just good PR of being "cool".
                  It would, but the massive initial investment required to overcome the issues with space travel would require heavy government subsidies, since no CEO is going to pour billions into a project that may mature six CEOs down the road.

                  And massive government subsidies require a massive PR campaign to seel it to the voters.

                  So you're back to square 1.

                  For a space program you will need bipartisan support for at least a decade to get momentum going.

                  You need sex appeal or secure profits within X years to have a hope of a space program.


                  And finally, that article isn't about space travel, it is about an orbital delivery system. NASA has been mired in orbit since 1970.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • #84
                    Ah, but to paraphrase the late, great Robert Heinlein and others, Earth orbit is halfway to anywhere else in the Universe ...
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                      Ah, but to paraphrase the late, great Robert Heinlein and others, Earth orbit is halfway to anywhere else in the Universe ...
                      Heinlein was a writer of fiction, not a solver of problems or a raiser of funds. And his best work certainly hasn't made space travel sexy.

                      We're been stuck in orbit for nearly fifty years. All the expertise developed by manned flight has since retired. There's no plan for manned flight outside of orbit on the books.

                      Not to mention that the chances of a bipartisan effort in a large-scale project are starkly laid out by the current government shutdown...
                      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                      • #86
                        Scientists want to build a space station INSIDE an asteroid and use artificial gravity from the rapidly spinning space rocks to mine valuable minerals
                        • It is possible to bore into the middle of an asteroid and mine from within
                        • Mining on the surface of asteroids is impossible as the gravity is insufficient
                        • Inside the asteroid would allow it to use the artificial gravity from its spinning
                        • Experts say the real-life applications of this technology remains unproven

                        By Joe Pinkstone For Mailonline

                        Published: 13:46 EST, 8 February 2019 | Updated: 13:46 EST, 8 February 2019
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                        Space stations of the future may be built inside distant asteroids, scientists claim.

                        One team of researchers found it would be possible to bore into the middle of a distant space rock, erect a space station and mine valuable minerals from within.

                        They proved it would be mathematically possible, with the right asteroid, to put a cylindrical space station inside a rock several hundred feet wide.

                        Experts say the logistical possibilities of this concept remains an issue and that it is at least several decades away from becoming a reality.

                        Some scientists rebuffed the research and claim not enough is known about the physical composition of asteroids to guarantee building a space station inside a huge rock would not cause it to fragment and break apart.
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                        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-asteroid.html
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                        • #87
                          They proved it would be mathematically possible
                          There's a easy sell ....

                          I'm more in line with the experts who note:

                          Some scientists rebuffed the research and claim not enough is known about the physical composition of asteroids to guarantee building a space station inside a huge rock would not cause it to fragment and break apart.
                          This is part of the problem: 'scientists' who throw out theories whose execution is, as your article notes, decades in the future (assuming the funding is there).

                          You want a space program, you need national competition as we had in the 60s, or you need profit and adventure as we did in the exploration of the New World or in the early days of flight.

                          So long as space is the province of a handful of PhDs, you'll never sell it.
                          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

                            There's a easy sell ....

                            I'm more in line with the experts who note:



                            This is part of the problem: 'scientists' who throw out theories whose execution is, as your article notes, decades in the future (assuming the funding is there).

                            You want a space program, you need national competition as we had in the 60s, or you need profit and adventure as we did in the exploration of the New World or in the early days of flight.

                            So long as space is the province of a handful of PhDs, you'll never sell it.
                            Agreed. Right now, I think no one is really allowed to own a piece of land on another planet due to some international law (can't recall which it is). If you can't own anything in outer space, then what's point in making profit off of that? You need motivation and a good reason to pursue interplanetary commerce and trade.
                            Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post

                              Agreed. Right now, I think no one is really allowed to own a piece of land on another planet due to some international law (can't recall which it is). If you can't own anything in outer space, then what's point in making profit off of that? You need motivation and a good reason to pursue interplanetary commerce and trade.
                              There are two agreements. the First was the The Outer Space Treaty, formally the Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies, This was originally between the USA the USSR but many other nations have signed up to it since. It effectively prohibits countries from laying claim to celestial bodies(at the time it was considered that only states had the wherewithal to engage in space in space exploration). Its primary intention seems to have been to prevent missile bases being established on the Moon.

                              The Second is Agreement Governing the Activities of States on the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies which is contingent on the former It is deemed that the Moon and other bodies in the solar system are the joint property of the all inhabitants of Earth regulation of any activities including mining should be under the purview of the United Nations which has a space bureau to whom any such activities should be prenotified. In theory this could act as an old fashioned mining claims office allocating mineral rights to prospectors who stake a claim. However it too was established when it was assumed that only states could support lunar and asteroid prospecting and it is doubtful if it has the resources or expertise to handle a lunar Klondike.

                              Despite popular misconception tthere appears to be very little in existence that governs the rights of individual citizens or companies to establish mineral or property rights on the Moon or elsewhere off Earth..
                              Last edited by MarkV; 10 Feb 19, 07:23.
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