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  • Conservative Brain not so bad after all.

    Many of you may have seen articles stating that Conservatives tend to be more emotional in there views than Liberals and the science seems to support this idea.

    Now there is evidence emerging that having an emotional brain may not be that bad after all when it comes to making generally good decision. The irony is that the evidence comes from the Liberal idea of "emotional intelligence".

    "There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance."

    "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift."

    "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is the source of all true art and science."

    Albert Einstein


    On the advise of a friend I took a look at what Allan Bloom had to say about the decline of the university experience in the U.S. and I would sum up his critique by saying modern education is soulless. Somehow the emotional experience and appreciation of true intellectual achievement is no longer apart of education. I might add it is equal absent from the political activism on campuses but that it not really the point to focus on.

    The conservative position is that not all intellectual works are equal but that some ability to be discriminating is required in appreciating that difference. The conservative idea of dispassionate critique has been confused with a lack of passion for great works. There is certainly no lack of passion in campus activism and that is as true today as it was in the 60s when Bloom wrote. I would sum up the difference between passion and appreciation as being dependant on nuisance not emotional commitment to the truth.

    Some time in the late 50s and early 60s a strange phenomena appeared in which people started to deny what had been considered common knowledge throughout all of proceeding history which is that some people are more intelligence than others. At the same time scientist were steadily establishing that cognitive ability could be measured. It looked like common sense and science were being supplanted by vulgar "political correctness". Anyone who worked in cognitive science at the time knew that there was a ticking time bomb of dissonance between the politically correct view and established work in the field. To dissipate the cognitive dissonance social "scientists" came up with the idea of emotional intelligence as a "common sense" alternative to IQ or general intelligence as measured by IQ.

    That brings me to my point which is that there is a growing body of work that supports the importance of emotions in the quality of problem solving. I will link to just one such paper.

    Feeling the Future: The Emotional Oracle Effect: by Michel Tuan Phan, Leonard Lee and Andrew T. Stephan

    "Eight studies reveal an intriguing phenomenon: individuals who have higher trust in their feelings can predict the outcomes of future events better than individuals with lower trust in their feelings. This emotional oracle effect was found across a variety of prediction domains, including (a) the 2008 US Democratic presidential nomination, (b) movie box-office success, (c ) the winner of American Idol, (d) the stock market, (e) college football, and even (f ) the weather. It is mostly high trust in feelings that improves prediction accuracy rather than low trust in feelings that impairs it. However, the effect occurs only among individuals who possess sufficient background knowledge about the prediction domain, and it dissipates when the prediction criterion becomes inherently unpredictable. The authors hypothesize that the effect arises because trusting one’s feelings encourages access to a “privileged window” into the vast amount of predictive information that people learn, often unconsciously, about their environments."

    http://www.columbia.edu/~tdp4/Pham-L...en-JCR2012.pdf

    What is too often missed in this work is the nuances. For example in the Oracle Effect the positive effect goes away if the emotions are intense or if there is an empathetic relationship between the subject being tested and the person supplying the data.

    For me emotional intelligence is just another good idea gone bad because of scholarship influenced by political bias. Intelligence is perhaps the best example of how a poor understanding of statistics is significantly affecting the quality of our intellectual landscape. While humans evolved to make black and white distinctions that is no longer an appropriate process for decision making and many abstract and nuanced ideas must be processed. That doesn't mean that having an "emotional brain" is bad.
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    One is born either a liberal or conservative?
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    • #3
      One way you might look at this is past "movements" on the Left to take science and politicize it. As two examples, both the Nazis and Soviets did this with most fields of science.

      http://blogs.bu.edu/guidedhistory/ru...ine-ruiz-diaz/

      Aryan Physics is in the same vein. It refutes "Jewish" (aka Theoretical) physics with a politically correct version that is tripe.

      Today, the same thing is occurring on campuses with Critical Pedagogy, Social and Economic Justice, among other systems.

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      • #4
        In the hospital the relatives gathered in the waiting room, where a family member lay gravely ill. Finally, the doctor came in looking tired and somber. "I'm afraid I'm the bearer of bad news, he said as he surveyed the worried faces. The only hope left for your loved one at this time is a brain transplant. It's an experimental procedure, very risky, but it is the only hope. Insurance will cover the procedure, but you will have to pay for the brain." The family members sat silent as they absorbed the news. After a time, someone asked, 'How much will a brain cost?' The doctor quickly responded, "$5,000 for a Liberal's brain; $500 for a Conservative's brain." The moment turned awkward. Some of the Liberals actually had to 'try' to not smile, avoiding eye contact with the Conservatives. A man unable to control his curiosity, finally blurted out the question everyone wanted to ask, "Why is the Liberal's brain so much more than a Conservative's brain?" The doctor smiled at the childish innocence and explained to the entire group, "It's just standard pricing procedure. We have to price the Conservatives' brains a lot lower because they've been well used.
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        Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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        • #5
          Them there libruls is crazy anyhow.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Karri View Post
            One is born either a liberal or conservative?
            People tend to vote for whom their parents did. No such thing as a political brain.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
              People tend to vote for whom their parents did. No such thing as a political brain.
              We're all victims of our local culture. People choose the religion of their parents, the party of their parents, the caliber their parents favored, etc.
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              • #8
                Here is the starting point to think about the topic in a little more depth.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biolog...al_orientation

                I would also recommend reading the Bell Curve and then consider how much of what it had to say is now mainstream thought in academia but little known by the general public. Charles Murray also has a new book Coming Apart: The State of White America which you should consider reading. I picked these two books because they illustrate the distorting lens that politics puts on science.
                Last edited by wolfhnd; 29 Feb 16, 07:00.
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                • #9
                  This appears to be politics and not science, and if so, it;'s posted in the wrong place.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    This appears to be politics and not science, and if so, it;'s posted in the wrong place.
                    You could ask the MODs to create a social science section I guess?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                      Here is the starting point to think about the topic in a little more depth.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biolog...al_orientation

                      I would also recommend reading the Bell Curve and then consider how much of what it had to say is now mainstream thought in academia but little known by the general public. Charles Murray also has a new book Coming Apart: The State of White America which you should consider reading. I picked these two books because they illustrate the distorting lens that politics puts on science.
                      I've read a few of the references and I'm not convinced that biology is the key. Either the sample sizes are too small, ie less than a 1000, or their reaction is based on psychology rather than biology. As OpanaPointer states, local culture will usually have a greater impact on someones personality than biology can ever hope for.

                      That said, I have twin boys that are vastly different from each other, despite an extremely similar impact from society, from parents and schools onwards, so I would not rule out some impact of biology at all.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
                        I've read a few of the references and I'm not convinced that biology is the key. Either the sample sizes are too small, ie less than a 1000, or their reaction is based on psychology rather than biology. As OpanaPointer states, local culture will usually have a greater impact on someones personality than biology can ever hope for.

                        That said, I have twin boys that are vastly different from each other, despite an extremely similar impact from society, from parents and schools onwards, so I would not rule out some impact of biology at all.
                        The question of if it biological is not the same question as if it is genetic. No one expects twins to be exactly the same. What the evidence does suggest is that people have different ways of thinking. It isn't so much that one is better than the other nor does it mean that brains may not change somewhat over time.
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                        • #13
                          Being the most recent thread on the brain(human);

                          THIS NEW, ULTRA-DETAILED MAP OF THE BRAIN COULD CHANGE MEDICINE
                          NEUROSCIENTISTS IDENTIFY 100 NEW REGIONS WITHIN THE BRAIN’S COMPLEX CEREBRAL CORTEX
                          http://www.popsci.com/new-map-brain-...stinct-regions
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                          • #14
                            OM is a Communist, one brother is edging towards Conservatism (gently, because OM will kill him), the other and I are both committed Socialists.

                            I voted to remain in the EU, OM voted to leave (he never liked the idea) and I have no idea about my brothers.

                            OM and I voted in favour of independence, one brother voted against to protect his pension (we haven't spoken since) and the third was ineligible because he lives in France.

                            It should also be noted that the Conservatives haven't won a General Election in Scotland since 1955, and we think Conservative Britain is so bad that we've already held one referendum to leave it (narrow defeat), and are preparing for a second which will retain our EU membership if we win (more likely by the day).
                            Indyref2 - still, "Yes."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by OpanaPointer View Post
                              We're all victims of our local culture. People choose the religion of their parents, the party of their parents, the caliber their parents favored, etc.
                              That used to be true, but the youth are increasingly making up their own minds, mostly based on emotional reactions rather than any form on analysis or logic, and very often in direct rebellion against the views of their parents.

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