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  • Antarctic ice has been increasing in extent since the 1970s. It has not necessarily been increasing in volume. The arctic ice cap, on the other hand, is declining in both, while global ocean temperatures continue to rise.



    https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/sea_ice.html
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    • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
      Antarctic ice has been increasing in extent since the 1970s. It has not necessarily been increasing in volume. The arctic ice cap, on the other hand, is declining in both, while global ocean temperatures continue to rise.
      OK, let's apply a few science facts to this data.


      1) ~90% of the Earth's ice is at the South Pole. So what ever you say about global ice is DOMINATED by Antarctica.

      2) ~90% of the ice at the North Pole is the Greenland ice pack which is growing in the middle where the ice is thickest. It is growing faster than melting base on averages.
      http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/

      3) That means they are talking about 1% of the Earth's Ice and basing a conclusion on that tiny amount, while ignoring the big picture of the other 99%.

      4) The ice at the North Pole is ~10 feet thick. The ice at the South Pole and on Greenland is ~10,000 feet thick.

      5) There are three mechanisms that create sea ice. Colder water, colder air, more snowfall on land that pushes the glaciers further out to sea faster. This extends the boundary of the sea ice. All three are happening.

      The fallacious argument based on FAILED COMPUTER MODELS, that the Earth is warming abnormally at this time is ridiculous. Right now we are in a cooling phase that is a NORMAL fluctuation and will hopefully reverse itself in a few years.
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      • Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
        OK, let's apply a few science facts to this data.
        Yes, let's.

        Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
        1) ~90% of the Earth's ice is at the South Pole.
        Correct. This is why what I'm about to post is so critical for the cryosphere.

        Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
        2) ~90% of the ice at the North Pole is the Greenland ice pack which is growing in the middle where the ice is thickest. It is growing faster than melting base on averages.
        http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/
        Where, exactly, in your source does it state that Greenland is gaining ice?

        From the link you posted:
        Comparing the seasonal progression of the four most recent years, the recent tendency for greater-than-average melt extent is apparent, as are the rapid variations in melt extent mid-year. The melt season of 2014 had a series of moderately extensive melt events early on, but did not undergo the expansive areas of surface melt on the high parts of the ice sheet as in 2012.

        Relative to the 35 years of continuous satellite measurements, 2014 is tied with 2006 for seventh highest, and is well above the 1981 to 2010 average. Melt area total (the sum of daily melt extents for the entire June through August period) was approximately 100,000 square kilometers (38,600 square miles) above the 1981 to 2010 average. The top eight melt extent years have all occurred since 2002.

        On top of this, owing to the warmer conditions the snow is darkening, which in turn absorbs more sunlight and accelerates melting.

        Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
        3) That means they are talking about 1% of the Earth's Ice and basing a conclusion on that tiny amount, while ignoring the big picture of the other 99%.
        A bit of an exaggeration, but OK, we'll look at the 'big picture.'

        May I direct your attention to Shepherd et al, 2012: "A Reconciled Estimate of Ice-Sheet Mass Balance."

        http://www.ess.uci.edu/researchgrp/e...erd-1183-9.pdf
        Conclusions

        We estimate that, between 1992 and 2011, the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets lost 1350 +/- 1010 and 2700 +/- 930 Gt of ice, respectively, equivalent to an increase in global mean sea level of 11.2 +/- 3.8 mm.


        Fig. 5.
        Cumulative changes in the mass of (left axis) the EAIS, WAIS, and APIS (top) and GrIS and AIS and the combined change of the AIS and GrIS (bottom) determined from a reconciliation of measurements acquired by satellite RA, the IOM, satellite gravimetry, and satellite LA. Also shown is the equivalent global sea-level contribution (right axis), calculated assuming that 360 Gt of ice corresponds to 1 mm of sea-level rise. Temporal variations in the availability of the various satellite data sets (Fig 4.) means that the reconciled mass balance is weighted toward different techniques during certain periods.
        Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
        5) There are three mechanisms that create sea ice. Colder water...
        From Liu and Curry, 2010:

        The observed sea surface temperature in the Southern Ocean shows a substantial warming trend for the second half of the 20th century. Associated with the warming, there has been an enhanced atmospheric hydrological cycle in the Southern Ocean that results in an increase of the Antarctic sea ice for the past three decades through the reduced upward ocean heat transport and increased snowfall.

        [...]

        With increased loading of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere through the 21st century, the models show an accelerated warming in the Southern Ocean, and indicate that anthropogenic forcing exceeds the natural internal variability. The increased heating from below (ocean) to above (atmosphere) and increased liquid precipitation associated with the enhanced hydrological cycle results in a projected decline of Antarctic sea ice.

        http://www.pnas.org/content/107/34/14987.full.pdf
        Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
        ... colder air,...
        Vostok station reports a steady surface air temperature from 1958-2014...

        http://www.aari.aq/data/data.asp?lan...tion=6#ttt.txt

        ... While the CDIAC reports a definite warming trend.

        http://cdiac.ornl.gov/epubs/ndp/ndp032/ndp032.html

        There has also been a record temperature reading (63.5 degrees F)

        http://www.wunderground.com/blog/Jef...4&cm_ven=tw-jm

        Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
        ...more snowfall on land...
        Which was caused by the climate shift.

        From the earlier excerpt from Liu and Curry:
        Associated with the warming, there has been an enhanced atmospheric hydrological cycle in the Southern Ocean that results in an increase of the Antarctic sea ice for the past three decades through the reduced upward ocean heat transport and increased snowfall.

        Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
        This extends the boundary of the sea ice.
        And yet the net mass of the continental ice sheet is declining.

        Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
        All three are happening.
        Care to rethink that statement now?
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        • Sheppard, many et al's, 2012 is the poster child for inconsequential papers blown out of proportion by the media...
          Science 30 November 2012:
          Vol. 338 no. 6111 pp. 1183-1189
          DOI: 10.1126/science.1228102
          •Research Article
          A Reconciled Estimate of Ice-Sheet Mass Balance

          Andrew Shepherd... [Long list of co-authors]

          We combined an ensemble of satellite altimetry, interferometry, and gravimetry data sets using common geographical regions, time intervals, and models of surface mass balance and glacial isostatic adjustment to estimate the mass balance of Earth’s polar ice sheets. We find that there is good agreement between different satellite methods—especially in Greenland and West Antarctica—and that combining satellite data sets leads to greater certainty. Between 1992 and 2011, the ice sheets of Greenland, East Antarctica, West Antarctica, and the Antarctic Peninsula changed in mass by –142 ± 49, +14 ± 43, –65 ± 26, and –20 ± 14 gigatonnes year−1, respectively. Since 1992, the polar ice sheets have contributed, on average, 0.59 ± 0.20 millimeter year−1 to the rate of global sea-level rise.

          http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6111/1183


          Greenland is alleged to have lost between 93 and 191 gigatonnes of ice per year from 1992 (ten years before GRACE was launched) and 2011. If we assume 1 Gt of ice = 1 km^3 of ice and that the current volume of the Greenland ice sheet is ~5 million km^3 and that Greenland continues to melt at a rate of 142 km^3/yr over the next 90 years... The Greenalnd ice sheet will lose a bit more than 0.3% of its ice volume.

          ~142 Gt of ice per year equates to about 0.003% of ice mass loss per year. At 142 Gt/yr, Greenland will be ice-free in 35,211 years.


          GRACE (Gravity Recovery And Climate Experiment) consists of two satellites, launched in 2002, that measure subtle variations in Earth's gravitational field. GRACE is the ideal tool for measuring changes in Earth's polar ice caps.


          Figure 1. GRACE Mission (Source University of Texas).

          One of the most prolific authors on GRACE has been Dr. Isabella Velicogna, UC Irvine (one of Sheppard's co-authors). Back in 2009 Dr. Velicogna published this paper in GRL:

          Increasing rates of ice mass loss from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets revealed by GRACE

          Dr. Velicogna concluded that the ice mass-loss was "accelerating with time." She found that "in Antarctica the mass loss increased from 104 Gt/yr in 2002–2006 to 246 Gt/yr in 2006–2009."

          Since the launch of GRACE, Dr. Velicogna has participated in several papers on GRACE and ice mass loss estimates for Antarctic and Greenland. Each paper has presented a more dire situation than the previous one, yet GRACE has not actually measured a significant ice mass loss in Antarctica. The actual GRACE measurements indicate a net mass gain (44 ±20 Gt/yr) from October 2003 through February 2007.


          Figure 2. Total Mass Difference: TMD = Actual GRACE measurements. TMD - IJ05 and TMD - ICE5G = GRACE measurements adjusted for GIA (Riva et al., 2007).

          Furthermore, the GIA-adjusted Total Mass Differences (TMD) from the TU Delft publication are significantly lower than those of Velicogna 2009.


          GIA is the abbreviation for "glacial isostatic adjustment," sometimes referred to as post-glacial rebound (PGR). The areas of the Earth's crust that were covered by thick ice sheets during the last glacial maximum were depressed by the ice mass. As the ice sheets have retreated over the last 15-20,000 years, the crust has rebounded (risen) in those areas. So, the GRACE measurements have to be adjusted for GIA. The problem is that no one really knows what the GIA rate actually is. This is particularly true for Antarctica.

          Riva et al., 2007 concluded that the ice mass-loss rate in Antarctica from 2002-2007 could have been anywhere from zero-point-zero Gt/yr up to 120 Gt/yr. Dr. Riva recently co-authored a paper in GRL (Thomas et al., 2011) which concluded that GPS observations suggest "that modeled or empirical GIA uplift signals are often over-estimated" and that "the spatial pattern of secular ice mass change derived from Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) data and GIA models may be unreliable, and that several recent secular Antarctic ice mass loss estimates are systematically biased, mainly too high." (I don't have access to the full text of Thomas et al., 2011, just the abstract).

          So, there's no evidence that the Antarctic ice sheets have experienced any significant ice mass-loss since GRACE has been flying. The GIA has generally been as large or larger than the asserted ice mass-loss.

          In 2009, Velicogna asserted that Antarctic ice mass loss "increased from 104 Gt/yr in 2002–2006 to 246 Gt/yr in 2006-2009." In the current paper, supposedly showing accelerated melting, they claim that Antarctica is lost an average of 71 Gt/yr from 1992-2011. Both of those estimates add up to about 1,400 Gt from 1992-2011. This would mean that Antartica didn't lose any ice before 2002 or after 2009.

          The steepening of the trend occurred in mid-2006. So there were 5.5 years of +72 Gt/yr and 3.5 years of -70 Gt/yr measurements. Velicogna didn't repeat the mistake she made in 2006, when she actually published the pre-GIA (PGR) measurements...



          Before the PGR (GIA) adjustment, GRACE indicated a gain in ice mass. This means that from 2002-2006, GRACE was measuring a mass gain of 72 ±76 Gt/yr. Note: the error bar of the GIA is larger than the measured anomaly. From 2006 to 2009, GRACE recorded a net loss of 70 ±76 Gt/yr.


          Now, there should be some PGR or GIA. However, prior to Thomas et al., 2011 PGR/GIA had been model-derived. Now it appears that PGR/GIA is actually much smaller than the models indicated and its distribution is highly variable.

          But... Let's assume that the Velicogna GIA/PGR adjustment is correct and ice mass loss did accelerate from 2002-2009. Where did the water go?

          The rate of sea level rise has decelerated since 2002...



          Where did the meltwater go?

          More fun with numbers... Let’s assume that Antarctica is losing 190 Gt of ice mass per year. 190 Gt sounds like a really big number, doesn’t it?

          360 Gt of ice melt will yield 1 mm of sea level rise. 190 Gt is good for ~0.5 mm/yr of sea level rise.

          The volume of ice in the Antarctic ice cap is ~30,000,000 km3. 190 Gt is roughly 0.0006% of 30 million km3. GRACE is measuring no net change in the ice mass; yet a 0.0006% annual change is being calculated from the PGR adjustment.

          At 0.0006% per year, Antarctica will have lost 0.06% of its ice mass by the end of this century (99.94% of Antarctica will not have melted)! And sea level will have risen by… (drum roll)… 46 millimeters!!!… Almost 2 inches!!! Very extreme...
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          • Regarding Greenland's Albedo-meggedon



            I guess Professor Tedesco missed this...

            "Ice cores from Summit show that melting events of this type occur about once every 150 years on average. With the last one happening in 1889, this event is right on time," says Lora Koenig, a Goddard glaciologist and a member of the research team analyzing the satellite data.


            Summit Station's summer peak temperatures flirted with 0°C for a few hours in late July.



            Hence the somewhat unusual wide-spread, right-on-time melt.

            This melt shows up very clearly in the Greenland Ice Sheet Albedo...



            The “normal” summer melt season albedo minimum at 2500-3200m is in the range of 0.79-0.82. This year, it briefly dropped to just below 0.74. The albedo of fresh snow is in the range of 0.80-0.90, ocean ice 0.50-0.70, desert sand 0.40, bare soil around 0.17 and pure black carbon soot around 0.04. An albedo of 0.74 is brighter than ocean ice and darker than fresh snow.

            “Normal” is based on 12 years of data. The GRACE measurements upon which the accelerating ice loss claims are based are heavily dependent on the GIA. While not as large as Antarctica (where the GIA’s margin of error is nearly as large as the asserted ice loss), GIA variations can result in totally different ice loss values… And the GRACE time series isn’t any longer than the MODIS time series.

            Wu et al., 2010 determined that the GIA commonly assumed for Greenland was way too high and that the 2002-2008 ice loss rate was 104 Gt/yr rather than the oft cited 230 Gt/yr. Even at 230 Gt/yr, it would take 1,000 years for Greenland to lose 5% of its ice mass.

            Riva et al., 2007 concluded that the ice mass-loss rate in Antarctica from 2002-2007 could have been anywhere from zero-point-zero Gt/yr up to 120 Gt/yr. Dr. Riva recently co-authored a paper in GRL (Thomas et al., 2011) which concluded that GPS observations suggest “that modeled or empirical GIA uplift signals are often over-estimated” and that “the spatial pattern of secular ice mass change derived from Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) data and GIA models may be unreliable, and that several recent secular Antarctic ice mass loss estimates are systematically biased, mainly too high.”

            So… We have barely a decade’s worth of data and no idea if the modern melt rates and albedo changes are anomalous relative to the early 20th century Arctic warming, Medieval Warm Period or any of the other millennial-scale Holocene warming periods.

            I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that unless some alarmist can tell me what the albedo was in 1899, 1127, 1143 and 1939, during the vast majority of the Holocene or during the Sangamonian, my response is, “Very interesting. Now, move along, there’s nothing more to see here.”





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            • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
              [...]

              Vostok station reports a steady surface air temperature from 1958-2014...

              http://www.aari.aq/data/data.asp?lan...tion=6#ttt.txt

              ... While the CDIAC reports a definite warming trend.

              http://cdiac.ornl.gov/epubs/ndp/ndp032/ndp032.html

              There has also been a record temperature reading (63.5 degrees F)

              http://www.wunderground.com/blog/Jef...4&cm_ven=tw-jm



              [...]
              Vostok is near the South Pole. The trend line has an R^2 of about 0.04. There is no trend.

              The record warm temperature is from the warmest part of the only part of Antarctica that has been warming.

              The Antarctic Peninsula is the "go to" location for Antarctic cherry-picking.
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              • After the Saturday Morning address by the Democratic Socialist occupying the White House claiming that March was the warmest month on record, Earth Day in Michigan was celebrated with snow squalls and bitter cold winds.
                “Breaking News,”

                “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                • Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                  After the Saturday Morning address by the Democratic Socialist occupying the White House claiming that March was the warmest month on record, Earth Day in Michigan was celebrated with snow squalls and bitter cold winds.
                  Conditions at any given place at any given time to not constitute "climate."

                  Erratic weather patterns are a side effect of climate change and the causes thereof.

                  The US has been a 'socialist' society since at least the 1930s. Unbridled Capitalism during the Gilded Age under the direction of the so-called 'robber barons' lead to the exploitation of millions until it was brought under control by Presidents Roosevelt and Taft.
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                  • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
                    Conditions at any given place at any given time to not constitute "climate."

                    Erratic weather patterns are a side effect of climate change and the causes thereof.

                    The US has been a 'socialist' society since at least the 1930s. Unbridled Capitalism during the Gilded Age under the direction of the so-called 'robber barons' lead to the exploitation of millions until it was brought under control by Presidents Roosevelt and Taft.
                    So, 23 states having far colder then normal Wednesday is a local thing? Explain that to the people east of the Rockies that had six months of way above normal heating bills as well as the record amount of cold records broken, including all time record lows for the entire month.

                    Go live in the Agenda 21 society you are promoting. Don't complain when the Government seizes your property and moves you and your family into the Government provided commune. Don't complain about what you are allowed to have and do. Don't complain when you are told that you are no longer of any value to the collective and must take this end it all pill. After all, what the Government does and tells you to do is for the sake of the environment.

                    Agenda 21 is called ‘the agenda for the 21st century’ and that agenda refers to global fascism/communism. This is a summary of what Agenda 21 / Sustainable Development / Biodiversity is seeking to impose:
                    • An end to national sovereignty
                    • State planning and management of all land resources, ecosystems, deserts, forests, mountains, oceans and fresh water; agriculture; rural development; biotechnology; and ensuring ‘equity’ (equal slavery)
                    • The State to ‘define the role’ of business and financial resources
                    • Abolition of private property (it’s not ‘sustainable’)
                    • ‘Restructuring’ the family unit
                    • Children raised by the State
                    • People told what their job will be
                    • Major restrictions on movement
                    • Creation of ‘human settlement zones’
                    • Mass resettlement as people are forced to vacate land where they currently live
                    • Dumbing down education (achieved)
                    • Mass global depopulation in pursuit of all the above
                    “Breaking News,”

                    “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                    • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
                      Conditions at any given place at any given time to not constitute "climate."

                      Erratic weather patterns are a side effect of climate change and the causes thereof.

                      The US has been a 'socialist' society since at least the 1930s. Unbridled Capitalism during the Gilded Age under the direction of the so-called 'robber barons' lead to the exploitation of millions until it was brought under control by Presidents Roosevelt and Taft.
                      Instrumental Arctic and Antarctic sea ice measurements only date back to 1979. Greenland and Antarctic ice sheet measurements only date back to 2003. Antarctic surface temperature measurements only date back to the 1950's.

                      Climate measurements on scales of 20-50 years have little more significance than "conditions at any given place at any given time" in a climate dominated by cycles of 60-1,000 years.

                      There is no evidence that the current weather is any more erradic than it has been over the past 10,000 years.
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                      • Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                        Go live in the Agenda 21 society you are promoting. Don't complain when the Government seizes your property and moves you and your family into the Government provided commune. Don't complain about what you are allowed to have and do. Don't complain when you are told that you are no longer of any value to the collective and must take this end it all pill. After all, what the Government does and tells you to do is for the sake of the environment.

                        Agenda 21 is called ‘the agenda for the 21st century’ and that agenda refers to global fascism/communism. This is a summary of what Agenda 21 / Sustainable Development / Biodiversity is seeking to impose:
                        • An end to national sovereignty
                        • State planning and management of all land resources, ecosystems, deserts, forests, mountains, oceans and fresh water; agriculture; rural development; biotechnology; and ensuring ‘equity’ (equal slavery)
                        • The State to ‘define the role’ of business and financial resources
                        • Abolition of private property (it’s not ‘sustainable’)
                        • ‘Restructuring’ the family unit
                        • Children raised by the State
                        • People told what their job will be
                        • Major restrictions on movement
                        • Creation of ‘human settlement zones’
                        • Mass resettlement as people are forced to vacate land where they currently live
                        • Dumbing down education (achieved)
                        • Mass global depopulation in pursuit of all the above
                        You actually believe this guy!?



                        The first sentence of the Wiki article on 'agenda 21' states:
                        "Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development."

                        Don't let nutcases like Beck lead you astray...
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                        • ^ Which a large percentage of local, county, and state guv'mints in the USA are choosing to implement ...
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                          • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
                            Conditions at any given place at any given time to not constitute "climate."

                            Erratic weather patterns are a side effect of climate change and the causes thereof.

                            The US has been a 'socialist' society since at least the 1930s. Unbridled Capitalism during the Gilded Age under the direction of the so-called 'robber barons' lead to the exploitation of millions until it was brought under control by Presidents Roosevelt and Taft.
                            Huh?!

                            "Erratic weather patterns are a side effect of climate change and the causes thereof."

                            Both side effect and cause, that's rather 'majikal' ain't it?

                            (One way it could be read, but don't tell the grammar nazis )
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                            • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                              Huh?!

                              "Erratic weather patterns are a side effect of climate change and the causes thereof."

                              Both side effect and cause, that's rather 'majikal' ain't it?

                              (One way it could be read, but don't tell the grammar nazis )
                              Weather: the state of the atmosphere at a given period of time.

                              Climate: The weather conditions prevailing in an area in general or over a long period.

                              Rapid changes in climate bring on erratic weather.

                              ^ Which a large percentage of local, county, and state guv'mints in the USA are choosing to implement ...
                              'Agenda 21' is a multinational UN proposal to create sustainable economic growth that is not excessively harmful to the environment, not some conspiracy to throw your family into a concentration camp. Once again, we see Glenn Beck at work:

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                              • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
                                You actually believe this guy!?



                                The first sentence of the Wiki article on 'agenda 21' states:
                                Don't let nutcases like Beck lead you astray...
                                READ THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENT.

                                https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...s/Agenda21.pdf

                                While you are still free to ignore the warnings, either prepare for what is coming, or do nothing. Just don't complain when the Government finally decides to submit to UN Agenda 21, you are forced to surrender your property and freedom, and every detail in the rest of your live will be under Government control.
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