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  • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
    One data point does not make a set. Also, rising global temperatures leads to more extreme weather patterns, such as hurricanes (which we've been seeing a lot of).
    Who told you that lie that you are falsely regurgitating? Please check your facts before posting falsehoods and further spreading climate myth. Otherwise you become part of the problem...


    As per the NOAA.
    No major hurricanes formed in the Atlantic basin - first time since 1994
    http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...aneseason.html

    Extreme weather snoozer: no hurricanes, and low tornado numbers in 2013
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...mbers-in-2013/

    Least Active Atlantic Hurricane Season In 30 Years
    http://www.climatecentral.org/news/l...30-years-16779

    Just because you say it over and over doesn't make it true...
    Last edited by Pirate-Drakk; 17 Feb 15, 23:40.
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    • Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
      Who told you that lie that you are falsely regurgitating? Please check your facts before posting falsehoods and further spreading climate myth. Otherwise you become part of the problem...


      [...]

      Just because you say it over and over doesn't make it true...
      It makes you wonder if the Gorebots' intent is to blur the line between model-derived predictions and actual observations and empirical experiments.
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      • Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk;2988364[B
        ]However, Mar's atmosphere is 95% CO2 which means the column density of CO2 on Mars is actually much greater than Earth.[/B]
        Go study WATER VAPOR. It has about 50,000 times more effect than CO2 for capturing Solar Heat and warming the planet. The absorption spectrum is much greater, it has a higher specific heat, and it exist is much greater densities than CO2. Combustion of Hydrocarbons produce twice the H2O than CO2. Humans dump massive amounts of water into the atmosphere by irrigation. Water makes clouds, clouds do things to the Earth's surface heat flux. What they do and how they are formed is not well understood by science.

        However, H20 is not listed as a "Green House" gas by the IPCC even though the list contains a large number of irrelevant gases that have no measurable effect on our atmosphere.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_li...eenhouse_gases

        This is a LIE by omission.


        Water so dominates our atmosphere's interaction with the Sun that it does more for global temperatures than the combined effects of ALL the rest of the greenhouse gases. Any claims of CO2 having any effect at all are lost in the noise of our measurements of the effects of water vapor! Then to say the tiny bit of CO2 humans contribute is significant is even more ludicrous.

        However, H2O is officially ignored by the IPCC. THAT is BAD SCIENCE of the highest order!!! In fact it is literally fraud. Especially when these lies are used to manipulate big business.


        Likewise, if Water Vapor production by humans has no effect on the climate, then CO2 has absolutely no effect on our climate!

        Go do a little research on the topic above and you will see what is really going on here...
        I did, and I just barely survived the field trip....
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        • Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
          However, Mar's atmosphere is 95% CO2 which means the column density of CO2 on Mars is actually much greater than Earth.

          Go study WATER VAPOR. It has about 50,000 times more effect than CO2 for capturing Solar Heat and warming the planet. The absorption spectrum is much greater, it has a higher specific heat, and it exist is much greater densities than CO2. Combustion of Hydrocarbons produce twice the H2O than CO2. Humans dump massive amounts of water into the atmosphere by irrigation. Water makes clouds, clouds do things to the Earth's surface heat flux. What they do and how they are formed is not well understood by science.

          However, H20 is not listed as a "Green House" gas by the IPCC even though the list contains a large number of irrelevant gases that have no measurable effect on our atmosphere.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_li...eenhouse_gases

          This is a LIE by omission.


          Water so dominates our atmosphere's interaction with the Sun that it does more for global temperatures than the combined effects of ALL the rest of the greenhouse gases. Any claims of CO2 having any effect at all are lost in the noise of our measurements of the effects of water vapor! Then to say the tiny bit of CO2 humans contribute is significant is even more ludicrous.

          However, H2O is officially ignored by the IPCC. THAT is BAD SCIENCE of the highest order!!! In fact it is literally fraud. Especially when these lies are used to manipulate big business.


          Likewise, if Water Vapor production by humans has no effect on the climate, then CO2 has absolutely no effect on our climate!

          Go do a little research on the topic above and you will see what is really going on here...

          Yeah, about that...

          We have this thing called "the water cycle." H2O only remains in the atmosphere for a few days before it is brought back down to Earth again through precipitation. Not enough time to have a major impact on the Earth's climate through the greenhouse effect.

          On the other hand, with 36+ billion tons of CO2 being dumped into the atmosphere on a yearly basis (and it is only increasing) will certainly have an effect over time. Our destruction of the natural environment (deforestation and the like) also releases carbon back into the atmosphere at a faster than normal rate.

          Over the past several centuries, human-caused land use and land cover change (LUCC) has led to the loss of biodiversity, which lowers ecosystems' resilience to environmental stresses and decreases their ability to remove carbon from the atmosphere. More directly, it often leads to the release of carbon from terrestrial ecosystems into the atmosphere. Deforestation for agricultural purposes removes forests, which hold large amounts of carbon, and replaces them, generally with agricultural or urban areas. Both of these replacement land cover types store comparatively small amounts of carbon, so that the net product of the process is that more carbon stays in the atmosphere.
          Why don't YOU do more research on this topic and see what is really going on, instead of posting this nonsense.
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          • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
            Yeah, about that...

            We have this thing called "the water cycle." H2O only remains in the atmosphere for a few days before it is brought back down to Earth again through precipitation. Not enough time to have a major impact on the Earth's climate through the greenhouse effect.

            On the other hand, with 36+ billion tons of CO2 being dumped into the atmosphere on a yearly basis (and it is only increasing) will certainly have an effect over time. Our destruction of the natural environment (deforestation and the like) also releases carbon back into the atmosphere at a faster than normal rate.



            Why don't YOU do more research on this topic and see what is really going on, instead of posting this nonsense.
            Try to follow along...

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            • The Union of Concerned Scientists says that most excess warming is derived from anthropogenic CO2 emissions. Heightened levels of H2O are a direct result of this. More heat from CO2 = more water vapor in the atmosphere.

              http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...l#.VOT7tfBX-uY
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              • Originally posted by Pirate-Drakk View Post
                Who told you that lie that you are falsely regurgitating?
                NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laborotory.

                http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes

                - It is premature to conclude that human activities--and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming--have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane activity. That said, human activities may have already caused changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observational limitations, or are not yet properly modeled (e.g., aerosol effects).

                - Anthropogenic warming by the end of the 21st century will likely cause hurricanes globally to be more intense on average (by 2 to 11% according to model projections for an IPCC A1B scenario). This change would imply an even larger percentage increase in the destructive potential per storm, assuming no reduction in storm size.

                - There are better than even odds that anthropogenic warming over the next century will lead to an increase in the numbers of very intense hurricanes in some basins—an increase that would be substantially larger in percentage terms than the 2-11% increase in the average storm intensity. This increase in intense storm numbers is projected despite a likely decrease (or little change) in the global numbers of all tropical storms.

                - Anthropogenic warming by the end of the 21st century will likely cause hurricanes to have substantially higher rainfall rates than present-day hurricanes, with a model-projected increase of about 20% for rainfall rates averaged within about 100 km of the storm center.
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                • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
                  The Union of Concerned Scientists says that most excess warming is derived from anthropogenic CO2 emissions. Heightened levels of H2O are a direct result of this. More heat from CO2 = more water vapor in the atmosphere.

                  http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...l#.VOT7tfBX-uY
                  This would be an appeal to authority fallacy if the Union of Concerned Scientists was an authority.

                  What "excess warming"? There has been no global warming since the end of the 20th century...



                  The rate and magnitude of late 20th century warming was indistinguishable from that of the early 20th century...



                  The rate of change in the early 21st century has been very similar to that of the mid 20th century...



                  The climate models have consistently failed over the past 25 years...









                  What "heightened levels of H2O"?



                  A little more perspective on water vapor vs CO2...

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                  • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
                    NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laborotory.

                    http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes
                    This sentence was actually written in English...
                    That said, human activities may have already caused changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observational limitations, or are not yet properly modeled (e.g., aerosol effects).

                    There is absolutely no evidence that the warming of the late 20th century has caused any increase in severe weather.
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                    • Stickied upon request.

                      BTW, it's nice to see a Climate Change thread remain largely civil for so long. Thanks!
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                      • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
                        Why don't YOU do more research on this topic and see what is really going on, instead of posting this nonsense.
                        Really, did you actually read Docs post? Do you even know what an absorption spectrum is? Do you understand the concept of ppm? It appears that this in not the case...

                        Did you study the CO2 Cycle where more CO2 is absorbed by plants when the concentrations get higher due to transpiration which is volume/density driven? Do you even understand what we are talking about?


                        What do you have to credit you as an authority on Global Climate? I will respect such claims if you can back it with science, and not "what somebody told me/I read on the internet/saw on TV" falsehoods.


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                        • Originally posted by Freightshaker View Post
                          Stickied upon request.

                          BTW, it's nice to see a Climate Change thread remain largely civil for so long. Thanks!
                          The credit for that largely goes to BobTheBarbarian...
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                          • UN’s Top Climate Official: Goal Is To ‘Intentionally Transform the Economic Development Model’

                            EXCERPTS:
                            (CNSNews.com) – The United Nations' top climate change official says the U.N.'s goal is to “intentionally transform the economic development model” in place “since the Industrial Revolution.”

                            “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history,” Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) said February 3rd during a press conference in Brussels.

                            “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution.
                            ...
                            “Developed countries shall provide financial resources to developing country Parties for the full and enhanced implementation of the [Climate Change] Convention,” according to the draft proposal.

                            “The GCF [Green Climate Fund] shall be the main financial entity under the new agreement,” it added.

                            The GCF was founded as a mechanism to redistribute wealth from developed countries to poorer nations in order “to promote the paradigm shift towards low-emission and climate-resilient development pathways.”

                            Developed countries should provide “at least 1 per cent of gross domestic product per year from 2020 and additional funds during the pre-2020 period to the GCF,” which would act as the “main operating entity of the Financial Mechanism” under the new treaty, according to the draft.
                            http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...orm-economic-0

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                            • So Global Warming is a giant liberal conspiracy to secretly insert Communist ideology into the global economy by crippling the major industrial powers and giving wealth to the lesser ones?
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                              • Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
                                So Global Warming is a giant liberal conspiracy to secretly insert Communist ideology into the global economy by crippling the major industrial powers and giving wealth to the lesser ones?
                                Exactamundo...
                                IPCC Official: “Climate Policy Is Redistributing The World’s Wealth”

                                Posted on November 18, 2010 by Anthony Watts

                                Neue Zürcher Zeitung, 14 November 2010
                                Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.

                                – Ottmar Edenhofer
                                For those who may not know, Ottmar Edenhofer is the co-chair of the IPCC Working Group III.

                                [...]

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                                Some highlights of the interview with Karl Marx... I mean with Ottmar Edenhofer...
                                "The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War."

                                "First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy."

                                "This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore..."
                                It actually never did have anything "to do with environmental policy" right from the start. It is a global swindle based on scientific blunder and a bit of fraud, designed to impose a global Marxist economic regime... Taking from nations according to their abilities and giving to nations according to their needs.
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