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  • #91
    Actually, there are still a few undeveloped, relatively pristine areas...but none of us would really consider living in them.

    In this day and age, there are very good reasons why certain areas are almost devoid of inhabitants...like survivability.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #92
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      That's because it's An Inconvenient Truth...
      Plus, no one can tall the difference between a "Gorebot" and a "Docbot"in the Climatology mythology, but if the world does not end by next year I'm suing both of them.
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Actually, there are still a few undeveloped, relatively pristine areas...but none of us would really consider living in them.

        In this day and age, there are very good reasons why certain areas are almost devoid of inhabitants...like survivability.
        Like the Empty Quarter in the Arabian Peninsular. The Qataris relocated a state prison there, even more escape proof than Alcatraz, no real need for guards, try and walk out of there and you will die - guaranteed.
        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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        • #94
          Originally posted by MarkV View Post
          A very naive view. This not the 19th century or earlier The world is grossly overpopulated and there are probably no safe pre industrial havens to hide in (the last time I visited the banks of Walden pond were full of people from the city). The masses of people dependent on modern technology will not sit quietly where they are and starve they'll go looking for food etc. It won't be civil unrest but world wide civil wars and worse
          Which is mostly what I said in fewer words with "... social unrest and other 'dust' settles."

          First point would start with where the "storm" would impact and how large it is. It's probable that the mass of charged plasma would mostly affect the side of Earth facing the Sun at impact, leaving the "dark" side of Earth largely shielded, unaffected ~ directly.

          Using the USA as an example, there are areas remote enough(we are a large and geographically diverse country) that groups might enclave and ride out the storm so to speak. Not saying things would be "pretty", just saying the whole human race wouldn't be wiped out, which is your claim and post I was responding to.
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          • #95
            Actually, not stormy at all ...

            Sun quiet again as it heads toward solar minimum ...
            Overview
            The sun has been completely spotless on 21 days in 2016 and it is currently featuring just one lonely sunspot region. In fact, on June 4th of this year, the sun went completely spotless for the first time since 2011 and that quiet spell lasted for about four days. Sunspot regions then reappeared for the next few weeks on a sporadic basis, but that was followed by several more completely spotless days on the surface of the sun. The increasingly frequent blank sun is a sign that the next solar minimum is approaching and there will be an even greater number of spotless days over the next few years. At first, the blankness will stretch for just a few days at a time, then it’ll continue for weeks at a time, and finally it should last for months at a time when the sunspot cycle reaches its nadir. The next solar minimum phase is expected to take place around 2019 or 2020. The current solar cycle is the 24th since 1755 when extensive recording of solar sunspot activity began and is the weakest in more than a century with the fewest sunspots since cycle 14 peaked in February 1906. One other note, the weak solar cycle and the expectation for continued low solar activity this upcoming winter is an important factor in this year’s colder-than-normal Winter Outlook for the Mid-Atlantic region.

            Sunspot numbers for solar cycles 22, 23 and 24 which shows a clear weakening trend; current sunspot number indicated by arrow; plot courtesy Dr. David Hathaway, NASA/MSFC
            http://www.vencoreweather.com/blog/2...-solar-minimum
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            • #96
              TECH BLACKOUT: Huge solar storm which could WIPE OUT modern technology expected by 2020
              THERE is a one in eight chance that the Earth will be hit by a huge solar storm by 2020 which could potentially leave the world without Internet, phone service and many more services that modern-day humans rely on.
              ...
              Researchers have warned that there is roughly a 12 per cent chance that a solar storm could smash into Earth by the end of the decade.

              The powerful event would likely be as huge as the Carrington Event, which occurred on 1859.

              The solar storm which hit 150 years ago was so powerful that its southern auroras could be seen as far north as Queensland in Australia.

              Today, in a modern world so dependent on technology, the implications would be far more severe.
              ...
              http://www.express.co.uk/news/scienc...rrington-event
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              • #97
                Look up tonight! Solar storms will batter the skies and spark colourful displays of the Northern Lights
                Space-weather forecasters including the NOAA issued a G2 Watch for today

                This could have minor effects on the power grid or spacecraft operations

                High latitudes, like Michigan, Alaska, Canada and Scandinavia are likely to see it

                But lucky viewers as far south as Yorkshire could also be in for a glimpse of them
                ...
                http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...rn-Lights.html
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                  Sun quiet again as it heads toward solar minimum ...
                  Overview
                  The sun has been completely spotless on 21 days in 2016 and it is currently featuring just one lonely sunspot region. In fact, on June 4th of this year, the sun went completely spotless for the first time since 2011 and that quiet spell lasted for about four days. Sunspot regions then reappeared for the next few weeks on a sporadic basis, but that was followed by several more completely spotless days on the surface of the sun. The increasingly frequent blank sun is a sign that the next solar minimum is approaching and there will be an even greater number of spotless days over the next few years. At first, the blankness will stretch for just a few days at a time, then it’ll continue for weeks at a time, and finally it should last for months at a time when the sunspot cycle reaches its nadir. The next solar minimum phase is expected to take place around 2019 or 2020. The current solar cycle is the 24th since 1755 when extensive recording of solar sunspot activity began and is the weakest in more than a century with the fewest sunspots since cycle 14 peaked in February 1906. One other note, the weak solar cycle and the expectation for continued low solar activity this upcoming winter is an important factor in this year’s colder-than-normal Winter Outlook for the Mid-Atlantic region.

                  Sunspot numbers for solar cycles 22, 23 and 24 which shows a clear weakening trend; current sunspot number indicated by arrow; plot courtesy Dr. David Hathaway, NASA/MSFC
                  http://www.vencoreweather.com/blog/2...-solar-minimum
                  This bodes ill news for the Gorebal Warming bunch. Sunspots have a long and proven history of influencing Earth's weather. Less sunspots = less warming going back to the mini ice age of the 17th century and the Maunder Minimum...

                  What happens if sunspot activity declines and we enter a cooling period? Pretty much ends the stupidity of Gorebal Warming.

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                  • #99
                    A powerful solar storm is headed toward us, bringing hazards and rare light shows

                    The Space Weather Prediction Center has upgraded a geomagnetic storm watch for September 6 and 7 to a level only occasionally seen, but scientists say it’s nothing to be too alarmed about.

                    They do recommend looking for an unusual display of the aurora—the northern lights caused by a disturbance of the magnetosphere—in areas of the U.S. not used to seeing them.

                    “The big takeaway from this level of storming would be just increased chance of seeing the aurora, really in the upper tier of the United States,” says Robert Rutledge, lead of operations at the center, which is part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. (Here’s an animation of the CME from NASA’s Solar Dynamics Observatory.)

                    The storm could pose an “elevated radiation risk to passengers & crew in high-flying aircraft at far north or south latitudes,” a NOAA warning says, and intermittently impact high-frequency RF communications, which may require some transpolar flight routes to divert to lower geomagnetic latitudes (a shift that would cost the airlines more). But currently, says Rutledge, the storm isn’t expected to interfere with flights or any other human activity here on earth or in space. There’s a slim chance of isolated interfere with high-precision GPS readings, but those issues usually only arise with stronger storms, he says.

                    The so-called G3 level storm is the result of what’s called a coronal mass ejection, where magnetic interactions on the sun launch part of its outer atmosphere of superheated plasma into space. When that burst of radiation gets near earth–barreling toward us at a million miles per hour, it takes about two days to make the journey–its magnetic field interacts with Earth’s, Rutledge says.
                    ...
                    https://www.fastcompany.com/40463031...cations-aurora

                    Unfortunately local skies here have a heavy layer of smoke from regional forest fires so likely not seeing much of that aurora. Hazy sky made this morning's rising Sun a red ball and so shielded one could look at it with naked eye and just see a dim red disk.
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                    • A matter of when, not if ...

                      The Next Big Geomagnetic Storm Poses An Astronomical Risk To Modern Man
                      ....
                      Scientists are concerned about the next significant "space weather" event, which begins at the sun in the center of the solar system. Severe space weather occurs less frequently than traditional weather on Earth but can be more destructive in nature.

                      The sun is now headed towards a solar minimum, forecasted to arrive in 2019 as the Sun changes over from Solar Cycle 24 to Solar Cycle 25. The Sun goes through 11-year cycles, during which solar activity increases and decreases.
                      ...
                      If the coronal hole is Earth-facing, then electrically charged particles from the Sun slam into Earth's magnetic field and cause intense electromagnetic storms around the planet. The impact of these particles on the electronic infrastructure underlying modern industrial civilization can be devastating, said the Financial Times.

                      CMEs disrupt GPS, satellites, and astronauts currently in space. Even airline crew and passengers get a markedly higher dose of radiation during solar storms, especially during polar-crossing, trans-oceanic flights.

                      And a repeat of the most significant solar storm on record, the 1859 Carrington Super-flare, would cost trillions of dollars in damage as power grids, communication networks, and electronic equipment worldwide would be knocked out.

                      Some scientists believe that Earth is due for a severe space weather event that could send civilization temporarily into reverse.

                      Another incident occurred in 1989, when an Earth-facing CME rocked the planet, producing a surge in voltage that caused Hydro-Québec power grid in Canada to collapse, leaving millions of people without electricity.
                      ...
                      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...isk-modern-man
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                      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
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                      • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                        TECH BLACKOUT: Huge solar storm which could WIPE OUT modern technology expected by 2020
                        THERE is a one in eight chance that the Earth will be hit by a huge solar storm by 2020 which could potentially leave the world without Internet, phone service and many more services that modern-day humans rely on.
                        In the short term I wouldn't notice. My PC is my only real electronic device I rely on. I'm the only person I know who doesn't have a mobile phone, if one can call mobiles 'phones' any more.

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                        • Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post

                          In the short term I wouldn't notice. My PC is my only real electronic device I rely on. I'm the only person I know who doesn't have a mobile phone, if one can call mobiles 'phones' any more.
                          Oh you might ... electrical distribution grids are primary systems impacted, as the text in the linked article shows. When your electricity isn't working and same in your community~region~nation you just might notice.
                          Whiskey for my men, and beer for my horses.
                          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                          Bock's First Law of History: The Past shapes the Present, which forms the Future. *

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