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  • The Two Americas of 2016

    The Two Americas of 2016
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...s-of-2016.html

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    The eleven USA's

    This map shows the US really has 11 separate 'nations' with entirely different cultures
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    The United States comprises several different regions, each with its own rich history and cultural identity.

    Exactly where those regions start and end has been a long-running debate, but according to author Colin Woodard, the United States can be divided into 11 distinct sub-nations.

    Woodard mapped out the regions in his 2012 book "American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America." Some of his regions might sound familiar, like the "Deep South"; others might surprise American readers, like his "Midlands" region that stretches from New Jersey to northeastern New Mexico.
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...z&ocid=msnbcrd

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    • #3
      Absolutely the best cultural map I have ever seen of the U.S.

      The cultural heritage of those areas however is extremely diluted.

      In a perfect world we would split up the U.S. and let people vote with their feet what kind of government they want. That is unfortunately as utopian as socialism I'm afraid. Just one of thousands of obstacles would be how to divide the nation debt.

      Texas and Alaska are probably the only States that could become functional Nations. California is too dependent on it's neighbors or if you prefer too addicted to denying it's dependency.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
        Absolutely the best cultural map I have ever seen of the U.S.

        The cultural heritage of those areas however is extremely diluted.

        In a perfect world we would split up the U.S. and let people vote with their feet what kind of government they want. That is unfortunately as utopian as socialism I'm afraid. Just one of thousands of obstacles would be how to divide the nation debt.

        Texas and Alaska are probably the only States that could become functional Nations. California is too dependent on it's neighbors or if you prefer too addicted to denying it's dependency.
        Texas couldn't. Too few resources other than oil, and we draw too much money from all the Federal forts and bases.

        The infrastructure to support a division of the USA does not exist. That was a major factor in the CSA's woes as well.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #5
          Never seen it presented like that, nicely done and explains quite a lot.

          I'd heard about the rural/urban divide in the but I didn't know it was that outspoken.

          54% of your population lives on 15 % of your land ?
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          • #6
            The Two Americas, here ya go, those who want to make America great again with Don, and those who don't..
            Hey, California and New Mexico voted against Don, so he could get his own back by not building a wall along their sections of the borders..

            Last edited by Poor Old Spike; 20 Jan 18, 03:23.

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            • #7
              This is why the electoral college works, it isn't and shouldn't be about the popular vote.

              And I didn't vote for Trump, my first posts here about him were that he was going to be worst than Mussolini. But we roll with it, he is the President and I don't care what some other country thinks. All the media bashing and foreigners trying to insult him has just made me get behind him. Blah get your own house in order, the wind of change is blowing.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by OttoHarkaman View Post
                This is why the electoral college works, it isn't and shouldn't be about the popular vote.

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                WHAT??? IF it's not then why vote. I find your opinion totally absurd. The members of the EC are decided by the population of the States to start with. Some were it's written "We the people" the people are the popular vote.
                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                • #9
                  The EC was so the larger states don't dominate the smaller ones. I don't want California telling me what to do.

                  I know it was setup before you could tally a popular vote, when people had to get around by horse back or carriage but it works. I don't want it changed.
                  Last edited by OttoHarkaman; 20 Jan 18, 06:08.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                    WHAT??? IF it's not then why vote. I find your opinion totally absurd. The members of the EC are decided by the population of the States to start with. Some were it's written "We the people" the people are the popular vote.
                    Because the U.S. is a federal republic. If we were going to go simply by the popular vote, we could eliminate state and local gov'ts, and just have everything managed from D.C. I'm sure that would work out really well....not.

                    The states, the pre-existing, independent entities that established the limited federal gov't, are supposed to be the primary source of gov'tal power and conduct most gov'tal activities. The federal gov't is supposed to be limited to gov'tal activities that have to be centralized for the whole country. We've forgotten that, made some poor choices in modifying the structure of the federal gov't (primarily, IMO, in allowing the federal gov't the power to tax individual income and the direct election of senators, who were intended to represent the states at the federal level), and now we're living with the results- a gov't that is almost entirely dysfunctional. Our congress has not passed a budget on time and had to rely on continuing resolutions for how many years? Wiki says they've only passed all of the required bills on time 4 times since 1977, and that there have been 18 shutdowns between 1976 and 2013. One simple example. Utterly dysfunctional.

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                    • #11
                      Like I've been saying... The bastions of Progressivism exist on the two coasts in high density urban areas and around University towns. Outside of that, Progressivism is nearly nonexistent.

                      It isn't "Trump's America," but rather Leftist pockets of Progressivism and the Rest of the Country.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View Post
                        The Two Americas, here ya go, those who want to make America great again with Don, and those who don't..
                        Hey, California and New Mexico voted against Don, so he could get his own back by not building a wall along their sections of the borders..

                        A map like that is also useful for determining the places never to visit or spend money in.
                        The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                          A map like that is also useful for determining the places never to visit or spend money in.
                          Except a map like that is misleading. In the case of my State; Washington, showing the county status makes most of my state Red. The high population urban area counties, mostly in the Western part, seem to create the statewide vote into the Blue. Out "in the country" rural areas remain strongly "red" ~ Conservative.

                          However, the referenced map does show how the Electoral College votes went.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                            Except a map like that is misleading. In the case of my State; Washington, showing the county status makes most of my state Red. The high population urban area counties, mostly in the Western part, seem to create the statewide vote into the Blue. Out "in the country" rural areas remain strongly "red" ~ Conservative.

                            However, the referenced map does show how the Electoral College votes went.
                            But, for me, I'm not some dummy that thinks an entire blue state is a land filled with barbarians. I know where the exact centers of liberal vileness are.
                            The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                              A map like that is also useful for determining the places never to visit or spend money in.
                              Yeah and if I ever emigrate to America it'll definitely be to a Republican state..
                              PS- and hopefully it'll also be a concealed carry state so I can swagger round with a .38 stuck in my belt under my shirt..
                              PS again- I'm still trying to work out why NY voted for Hillary instead of their home town boy Don, have they gone nuts or what?

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