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  • #16
    Interesting stuff Hal....thanks! The thread brought back fond memories from a trip a few years' back.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Whiterook View Post
      Interesting stuff Hal....thanks! The thread brought back fond memories from a trip a few years' back.
      From Mass? Sounds like an interesting trip. Any other sites that caught your imagination?
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      • #18
        While in Colorado, I also went to the Colorado Railroad Museum, which was real cool in that, it was all primarily outdoors....big honkin' beautiful trains from all the way back in the 1800's. http://www.crrm.org/

        Alcatraz in San Francisco Bay was very interesting.

        In San Antonio, Texas, "La Villita" is this gorgeous little Arts Village that used to be a small Mexican Village; and "El Mercado" is an old time Mexican marketplace with one of the BEST Mexican retaurants in the US...Mi Tiera
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        • #19
          I was really surprised at the Fredericksburg National Battlefield's museum. First of all, it's tiny and pretty much sucks. The video is good and so are the dioramas, and I was thinking nothing else there was worth seeing when ("what to my marvelling eyes did appear") I saw a painting of my ancestors' house, where the southernmost bridge was, across the Rappahannock in Dec 62. If anyone stops in there, it's the one furthest right on the wall of paintings.
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          • #20
            Very cool, Jeff!
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Whiterook View Post
              Very cool, Jeff!
              Yeah, it really was -- it was also proof that it was a poor site for a house!
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Janos View Post
                Yeah, it really was -- it was also proof that it was a poor site for a house!
                Yeah! Location is everything! And the size of many of the historical sites amazed me early on in my travels. Battle sites can appear huge until you focus on particular areas. Bloody Lane, Burnside's Bridge as examples. So many important sites seem to need grandiose dimensions and somehow the compactness of the areas a disappointing "first impression". Yet the enormity of the events that occurred on that hallowed ground.

                Bridger's Fort in WY is a site I have visited every chance I get, and I still stand in wonder at the personages that walked through that gate.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by holly6 View Post
                  Yeah! Location is everything! And the size of many of the historical sites amazed me early on in my travels. Battle sites can appear huge until you focus on particular areas. Bloody Lane, Burnside's Bridge as examples. So many important sites seem to need grandiose dimensions and somehow the compactness of the areas a disappointing "first impression". Yet the enormity of the events that occurred on that hallowed ground.
                  My example of that is the battle of New Orleans. The battlefield isn't much bigger than many yards I've seen. It's nowhere near as big as in the movies and is pretty disappointing to look at.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Janos View Post
                    My example of that is the battle of New Orleans. The battlefield isn't much bigger than many yards I've seen. It's nowhere near as big as in the movies and is pretty disappointing to look at.
                    That's a shame Janos, is it because of encroachment a-la The Alamo, or is it due to a lack of funds to develop the site?
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by holly6 View Post
                      That's a shame Janos, is it because of encroachment a-la The Alamo, or is it due to a lack of funds to develop the site?
                      Nope, it's just a small battlefield as far as I can tell.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Janos View Post
                        Nope, it's just a small battlefield as far as I can tell.
                        Found a contemporary discription of the Battlefield. Seems the River cut some of it off. And it was used as a sugarcane field for years.

                        "But the battle-ground—where is that sir?" we inquired, as he silently continued his rapid walk in advance of us.
                        "There it is," he replied after walking on a minute or two longer in silence, and turning the corner of a narrow, fenced lane which extended from the river to the forest-covered marshes—"there it is, gentlemen,"—and at the same time extended his arm in the direction of the peaceful plain, which we had before observed,—spread out like a carpet, it was so very level—till it terminated in the distant forests, by which and the river it was nearly enclosed. Riding a quarter of a mile down the lane we dismounted, and leaving our horses in the road, sprang over a fence, and in a few seconds stood upon the American breast-works....
                        The rampart of earth upon which we stood, presented very little the appearance of having ever been a defence for three thousand breasts; resembling rather one of the numerous dikes constructed on the plantations near the river, to drain the very marshy soil which abounds in this region, than the military defences of a field of battle. It was a grassy embankment, extending, with the exception of an angle near the forest—about a mile in a straight line from the river to the cypress swamps in the rear; four feet high, and five or six feet broad. At the time of the battle it was the height of a man, and somewhat broader than at present, and along the whole front ran a fosse, containing five feet of water, and of the same breadth as the parapet. This was now nearly filled with earth, and could easily be leaped over at any point. The embankment through the whole extent is much worn, indented and, occasionally, levelled with the surface of the plain....

                        http://www.nps.gov/history/history/o.../jela/hrs9.htm
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by holly6 View Post
                          Found a contemporary discription of the Battlefield. Seems the River cut some of it off. And it was used as a sugarcane field for years. <more snipped>
                          Yep, that's about it, but they leave out that you cross the whole thing in a couple of minutes.
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