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  • #16
    Originally posted by No_Nickname View Post
    Hope they catch who did this
    Absolutely right. Capt Charles Hazlitt Upham to my mind is unique. He was and remains the only fighting soldier from any country to have won 2 VCs. The other 2 recpients were medical officers non the less worthy but the distinction should be made. This can be compared with 2 medals of honour and no one has ever been awarded that I am not even sure whether there is provision in Americas Constitution for this. interesting point must delve further.So that just about puts Uphams place in history in perspective to my mind at least. If the bastards who stole these pieces of WORLD history can not found then the GVT of NZ should arrange with UK to have replcements made. This is not just a matter for NZ but an international matter of the greatest concern

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    • #17
      Gotcha!

      Good news on this topic - all the stolen medals have been recovered in good condition and the local police are now pretty confident that arrests are imminent.

      They have put a lot of time and resources into this case and its good to see them get such a good result.

      Link to a bit more info:

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/4404246a10.html

      Cheers
      KRO

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      • #18
        A t-shirt? Bah. Reason to bring back public executions, I say.
        Stay Alert, Stay Alive!

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        • #19
          Good news, I hope they catch the crooks.
          Those that forget history are condemed to repeat it.
          If you're going to be one you might as well be a BIG RED ONE

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Kiwi Red One View Post
            Good news on this topic - all the stolen medals have been recovered in good condition and the local police are now pretty confident that arrests are imminent.

            They have put a lot of time and resources into this case and its good to see them get such a good result.

            Link to a bit more info:

            http://www.stuff.co.nz/4404246a10.html

            Cheers
            KRO
            I am glad to hear the news.

            I never thought I would ever feel a human life should be forfet because of a property crime but in this case I would make an exception.
            FoxNEWS "The World is unfair and we are running scared"

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            • #21
              Yes there have been double Medal of Honors awarded but not in modern times for seperate actions.

              A US Marine in WW1 could get a double award for the same action, recieving both Navy and Army MoH.

              like the Victoria Cross rules for getting the Medal of Honor were looser before the 1900.

              There was a case of a whole regiment recieving the MoH because they all volunteered to re-enlisted during the Civil war. Most of the 900 medal were recovered.

              Likewise Pte Timothy O'hea was awarded a Victoria Cross for puting out a fire on an ammumnition railway car in 1866 at Danville Quebec Canada. While his action was certainly brave and he was badly burned, he would not have recieved one after 1900 for such an event.
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              • #22
                medal of honor

                for your info. there have been 19 people awarded the MOH twice. 9 of those were for SEPERATE actions.the others were duplicte awards by two services for the same action. The laws were changed in 1917 so that the MOH cannot be awarded to the same person twice.

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                • #23
                  Yes I know next time I will define modern times for MoH as since the regulations were changed in 1917.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by jeffdoorgunnr View Post
                    for your info. there have been 19 people awarded the MOH twice. 9 of those were for SEPERATE actions.the others were duplicte awards by two services for the same action. The laws were changed in 1917 so that the MOH cannot be awarded to the same person twice.
                    5 double awards to marines took place after 1917 in 1918.

                    KELLY, JOHN JOSEPH (Army Medal)

                    Rank and organization: Private, U.S. Marine Corps, 78th Company, 6th Regiment, 2d Division. Place and date: At Blanc Mont Ridge, France, 3 October 1918. Entered service at: Chicago, Ill. Born. 24 June 1898, Chicago, Ill. G.O. No.: 16, W.D., 1919. (Also received Navy Medal of Honor.) Citation: Pvt. Kelly ran through our own barrage 100 yards in advance of the front line and attacked an enemy machinegun nest, killing the gunner with a grenade, shooting another member of the crew with his pistol, and returning through the barrage with 8 prisoners.

                    KELLY, JOHN JOSEPH (Navy Medal)

                    Rank and organization: Private, U.S. Marine Corps, 78th Company 6th Regiment. Born: 24 June 1898, Chicago, Ill. Accredited to: Illinois. (Also received Army Medal of Honor.) Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty while serving with the 78th Company, 6th Regiment, 2d Division, in action with the enemy at Blanc Mont Ridge, France, 3 October 1918. Pvt. Kelly ran through our own barrage a hundred yards in advance of the front line and attacked an enemy machinegun nest, killing the gunner with a grenade, shooting another member of the crew with his pistol, and returning through the barrage with 8 prisoners.

                    *KOCAK, MATEJ (Army Medal)

                    Rank and organization: Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, 66th Company, 5th Regiment, 2d Division. Place and date: Near Soissons, France, 18 July 1918. Entered service at: New York, N.Y. Born: 31 December 1882, Gbely (Slovakia), Austria. G.O. No.: 34, W.D., 1919. (Also received Navy Medal of Honor.) Citation: When the advance of his battalion was checked by a hidden machinegun nest, he went forward alone, unprotected by covering fire from his own men, and worked in between the German positions in the face of fire from enemy covering detachments. Locating the machinegun nest, he rushed it and with his bayonet drove off the crew. Shortly after this he organized 25 French colonial soldiers who had become separated from their company and led them in attacking another machinegun nest, which was also put out of action.

                    *KOCAK, MATEJ (Navy Medal)

                    Rank and organization: Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps. Born: 31 December 1882, Gbely (Slovakia), Austria. Accredited to: New York. ( Also received Army Medal of Honor. ) Citation: For extraordinary heroism while serving with the 66th Company, 5th Regiment, 2d Division, in action in the Viller-Cottertes section, south of Soissons, France, 18 July 1918. When a hidden machinegun nest halted the advance of his battalion, Sgt. Kocak went forward alone unprotected by covering fire and worked his way in between the German positions in the face of heavy enemy fire. Rushing the enemy position with his bayonet, he drove off the crew. Later the same day, Sgt. Kocak organized French colonial soldiers who had become separated from their company and led them in an attack on another machinegun nest which was also put out of action.
                    http://www.history.army.mil/html/moh/worldwari.html
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