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  • Star Wars - The Ideological Foundations

    So seven out of nine movies into this "saga", a trilogy of trilogies, and still I'm wondering; what is the ideology of either side in this epic conflict?

    What are the ultimate goals of the "Light Side" versus the "Dark Side" and hence the Foundations of the "Classic Conflicts" we've been presented with in seven out of nine films in a trilogy of trilogies regarding/addressing some sort of galactic wide War?

    I'll readily admit having not read all the books and comixs generated in the last 3-4 decades of the "Star Wars" Saga, yet one would hope that in the movies generated so-far we might get some clue as to what is the substance and Great Goals of the major factions involved, and the Conflicts generated therefrom. ???

    I'll readily admit that I for one remain clueless as to what it is "all about" and wondering what all the brouhaha ???

    Following will be some posts and ideas on this subject and I readily appreciate any whom want to inject their thoughts and/or insights regarding this subject (which by-the-way might/should pertain to the "human condition" in general. )
    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
    “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
    Present Current Events are the Future's History

  • #2
    http://www.npr.org/2015/12/15/459812...makes-no-sense

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    • #3
      What ... ???
      Lucas and others of the "Hollow-wood" elite are clueless about the real workings of guv'mint, etc. and it shows in these fictional movies ??? !!!

      Meanwhile, I'll be working at making at couple more postings on the main themes here ...
      Last edited by G David Bock; 01 Jan 16, 23:35.
      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
      “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
      Present Current Events are the Future's History

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      • #4
        So it would seem that the first objective of "evolution" is to encourage humans/sentients of a world to provide for their basic needs of;
        food ~ clothing ~ shelter ...
        Given that basic "environmental" adjustment left them lacking in providing the latter two considerations ...

        After the "basics" above, would seem the next level of needs is to provide for are "Relief~entertainment" from the toils of basic needs ... such as music, arts, etc. ...

        Which leads to a third level of "needs" in form of "purpose' or ultimate goal~agenda; enter religions and/or other "ideologies", etc. ...

        Hence the purpose/objective of this thread ... what are the goals/agendas of the respective Light and Dark Sides of "The Force" in the scheme of the "Star Wars" sagas ???
        Last edited by G David Bock; 01 Jan 16, 23:37.
        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
        “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
        Present Current Events are the Future's History

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        • #5
          So how does the "Dark Side" of the "Imperium/Force One" continue to sustain itself and it's members~workers?

          Does it hold some worlds in "slavery" where their efforts provide the wealth/income/capital to pay the wages of the "workers" and suggest there is a retirement scheme of sorts that provides in their later years ???

          I mean, beyond the "conscripted" persons of the "Stormtrooper" brigades, how does the "Imperium"~Force One~'Dark Side' pay/bribe it's staff to work for and support their cause?

          And what is the "cause" of the "Dark Side" forces???

          Why should "I" remain a servant of the "Imperium"/'Dark Side" in terms of current or post-existent rewards???

          What is my motivation to be crew-member of a Star Destroyer or StormTrooper platoon? ... ???
          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
          “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
          Present Current Events are the Future's History

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          • #6
            The dark side (Sith) are basically space nazis, the light side (Jedi) are the good guys.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
              The dark side (Sith) are basically space nazis, the light side (Jedi) are the good guys.
              Yeah, that imagery was established in the first movie ... but symbolism isn't the same thing as ideology, or philosophy, or religion (philosophy with deities).

              Using the Nazi/NSDAP meme as an example; Their ideology devolved out of a variation of old Germanic mythology, blended with the concepts of Vril and the Thule Gesellschaft
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society
              EXCERPT:
              The Thule Society (/ˈθjuːliː/; German: Thule-Gesellschaft), originally the Studiengruppe für germanisches Altertum ("Study Group for Germanic Antiquity"), was a German occultist and völkisch group in Munich, named after a mythical northern country from Greek legend. The Society is notable chiefly as the organization that sponsored the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (DAP), which was later reorganized by Adolf Hitler into the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP or Nazi Party). According to Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw, the organization's "membership list... reads like a Who's Who of early Nazi sympathizers and leading figures in Munich", including Rudolf Hess, Alfred Rosenberg, Hans Frank, Julius Lehmann, Gottfried Feder, Dietrich Eckart, and Karl Harrer.[2]
              ...
              This provides a foundation for a world view, Weltanschauung;
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_view
              EXCERPT:

              A comprehensive world view or worldview is the fundamental cognitive orientation of an individual or society encompassing the entirety of the individual or society's knowledge and point of view. A world view can include natural philosophy; fundamental, existential, and normative postulates; or themes, values, emotions, and ethics.[1] The term is a calque of the German word Weltanschauung [ˈvɛlt.ʔanˌʃaʊ.ʊŋ] ( listen), composed of Welt ('world') and Anschauung ('view' or 'outlook')[2] The German word is also used in English.
              It is a concept fundamental to German philosophy and epistemology and refers to a wide world perception. Additionally, it refers to the framework of ideas and beliefs forming a global description through which an individual, group or culture watches and interprets the world and interacts with it.
              ....

              Resulting in a blend of religion and politics that many in 1920-30's German society resonated with such as to embrace the Nazi/NSDAP agenda, lend their support and votes and even join and participate it. Many doing so thought they were doing a "right thing" and the goals were "right thing" for the future of Germany. Few if any saw any of this as "Evil", or themselves as "Evil", at least not until the War got started, along with the "Final Solution".

              Much of this Weltanschauung was a German flavored variation of the Theosphical~metaphysical thinking of the prior few decades;
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy Much of it based upon Blavatsky's "The Secret Doctrine"
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Doctrine and some of the members of the Thule Group would seem to have engaged (secretly) in "Black Magik" practices similar to those of Aleister Crowley
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley.
              So far as public consumption was concerned, most of the Nazi/NSDAP ideology was a blend of current Geo-Political thought mixed with the still popular German Racial superiority and anti-Jewish thinking of the times. The Nazis were serving the ancient Herronvolk - Super Men in reshaping a world to serve their purpose and also reshaping the Aryan People to become the future Herronvolk.

              So using the above as an example, return to the OP and the question is what is the ideology, the Weltanschauung of the Imperium~Force One that motivates people to join and operate on It's behalf?
              Last edited by G David Bock; 04 Jan 16, 12:22. Reason: tighten spacing
              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
              “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
              Present Current Events are the Future's History

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              • #8
                Perhaps a start point, but it doesn't cover to the depth I'm looking for;
                Philosophy and religion in Star Wars

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philos...n_in_Star_Wars
                TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                Present Current Events are the Future's History

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