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  • SEALION Late 1940?

    A Sealion question by the back door...

    How late could the above operation have taken place in 1940, to give a reasonable chance of success?

    Assumption is that the BoB would still be ongoing, and that Hitler had eventually lost patience and ordered the attack (not an unreasonable assumption I feel).

    Supplimentary...

    Given a late start to the preparations and the invasion itself, could the operation have been successfully sustained into late autumn/fall and possibly full winter, at a cost bearable to Germany?

    How might the ongoing invasion have affected other fronts (North Africa) and/or the political and military actions of (then) neutral nations such as the USA, the USSR and Japan?

    Regards

    Gaz

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    you could probably apply the same factors the Allies did regarding Normandy and come up with a goodanswer
    Human beings are the only creatures who are able to behave irrationally in the name of reason.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by allsirgarnet View Post
        AHow late could the above operation have taken place in 1940, to give a reasonable chance of success?
        My understanding is that the German's and British were on the same page with this question... late September.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by redcoat View Post
          My understanding is that the German's and British were on the same page with this question... late September.
          I have read that the Germans had a window of about 4 to 6 weeks after Dunkerque, this was the best time in which the British Army was in no real shape to fight.

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          • #6
            The English Channel was a far greater threat than the British Army.

            By late September, the Autumn gales and frequent storms would've made a landing virtually impossible without a safe port ( remember, in '44 the Allies cheated and built one).

            All possibility of a 1940 invasion had vanished by September, it's as simple as that.
            Indyref2 - still, "Yes."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by redcoat View Post
              My understanding is that the German's and British were on the same page with this question... late September.
              You have got to be joking rc, being a Pom you ought to know what an uncertain time that is to conduct a seaborne landing, late september is early October and the Autumn come Winter Atlantic weather is beginning to push its way up the south coasts of England. The British authorities were probably HOPING that they would try it at that time, because the weather would have been on our side! lcm1
              'By Horse by Tram'.


              I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
              " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by allsirgarnet View Post
                A Sealion question by the back door...

                How late could the above operation have taken place in 1940, to give a reasonable chance of success?

                Assumption is that the BoB would still be ongoing, and that Hitler had eventually lost patience and ordered the attack (not an unreasonable assumption I feel).

                Supplimentary...

                Given a late start to the preparations and the invasion itself, could the operation have been successfully sustained into late autumn/fall and possibly full winter, at a cost bearable to Germany?

                How might the ongoing invasion have affected other fronts (North Africa) and/or the political and military actions of (then) neutral nations such as the USA, the USSR and Japan?

                Regards

                Gaz
                Ever been on Brighton beach in the Autumn/Winter Alfie? lcm1
                'By Horse by Tram'.


                I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
                " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                  Piece of cake...I'll stay on ship and observe
                  If war is Hell, why was the Eastern Front so damned cold??!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Roddoss72 View Post
                    I have read that the Germans had a window of about 4 to 6 weeks after Dunkerque, this was the best time in which the British Army was in no real shape to fight.
                    While that may be, where were the assets to carry the ratzis over the Channel? Even if they weren't beset by weather and the RN.

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                    Dennis
                    If stupid was a criminal offense Sea Lion believers would be doing life.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gooner View Post

                      What's the old saying - a picture paints a thousand words .... just imagine them old Rhine barges bobbing about on that lot, German soldiers chucking their guts up over the side .....
                      "COOMMAAAAAAANNNNDOOOO!!!!!"
                      - Mad Jack Churchill.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tuck's Luck View Post
                        What's the old saying - a picture paints a thousand words .... just imagine them old Rhine barges bobbing about on that lot, German soldiers chucking their guts up over the side .....
                        Good more burley for fishing

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Roddoss72 View Post
                          I have read that the Germans had a window of about 4 to 6 weeks after Dunkerque, this was the best time in which the British Army was in no real shape to fight.
                          And the Germans had no means of crossing the Channel.

                          Sep 24th was set as S-day and it was about the earliest the Germans could have managed considering they were coming over in barges being towed at 3-4 knots.
                          The Purist

                          Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking - John Maynard Keynes.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by allsirgarnet View Post
                            "A Sealion question by the back door..."
                            It can be thrown out by either the back door or the front; take your pick.


                            Originally posted by allsirgarnet View Post
                            "How late could the above operation have taken place in 1940, to give a reasonable chance of success?"
                            Sealion NEVER had a "reasonable chance" of success!


                            Originally posted by allsirgarnet View Post
                            "Assumption is that the BoB would still be ongoing, and that Hitler had eventually lost patience and ordered the attack (not an unreasonable assumption I feel). "
                            Attempt a cross-channel invasion without adequate preparation; without the required air superiority over the Channel and SE England; AND against the might of the Royal Navy?

                            You've gotta be joking! Even Hitler wasn't that stupid!
                            "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                              Pfft ! That would be a piece of cake...



                              The above pic is from Devon btw.

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