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  • What if one of the Japanese landing attempts in the PI was thouroughly crushed?

    Be it either at Lingayen Gulf or Lamon Bay, what would have happened had MacArthur's Filippino-American forces been able to concentrate solely against one Japanese invasion landing on Luzon?
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    They would beat that one, but the other invasion would make additional gains. That combined with the Japanese having support the Americans lacked would still result in a defeat for the Filipino-American forces.
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    • #3
      Heres another: WI the air HQ had been a it less disorganised and not made several wrong guesses that morning. First the heavy bomber wing was launched against the Formosa airfields. Never mind that Formosa was largely fogged over, the point is to send them away on a offensive action. Second the combat air patrols of fighter planes suceed in intercepting some of the Japanese bombers & inflict some losses.

      These two events leave the US Army with a intact air wing and hopefully some time to calm down and sort things out.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
        They would beat that one, but the other invasion would make additional gains. That combined with the Japanese having support the Americans lacked would still result in a defeat for the Filipino-American forces.
        Both Japanese invasions were opposed by Filippino-American troops.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Carl Schwamberg View Post
          Heres another: WI the air HQ had been a it less disorganised and not made several wrong guesses that morning. First the heavy bomber wing was launched against the Formosa airfields. Never mind that Formosa was largely fogged over, the point is to send them away on a offensive action. Second the combat air patrols of fighter planes suceed in intercepting some of the Japanese bombers & inflict some losses.

          These two events leave the US Army with a intact air wing and hopefully some time to calm down and sort things out.
          Had Brereton followed MacArthur's orders and sent the B-17's back to Del Monte on Mindanao, they would have been safely out of the way of any Japanese air attacks. Instead, Brereton allowed the bomber crews to attend a huge party, thrown in his honor in Manila, the night before. There were some seriously hung-over bomber crews that arrived at Clark Field, the following morning, just in time for the first Japanese aerial attack.
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          • #6
            The Japanese were too powerful. They were going to get ashore. Had we driven them off once, they would have come back again. We may have screwed with their timetable, but no big effect in the long run.
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            • #7
              I don't see the US defeating the Japanese, even if they did concentrate, the US lacked a lot of essential things they needed to defeat the Japanese. Japan ruled the skies over the Philippines.
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              • #8
                Not so sure here.
                Even with everything going wrong, US forces still held out until May. If they had been able to hold the Japanese to North Luzon, they might have held out into the fall.

                Then what? Would Washington still been able to write them off, or would a Japan First strategy have been feasible?
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                • #9
                  Japan first was never, ever going to happen. The industrial military complex had been gearing up for Germany fist since as far back as 1938 and it could not have changed course 180 degrees without creating massive dislocations. It was "economic strategic direction" not a matter of redirecting a box of .30 cal. ball ammunition.

                  Combine this with the fact that US government and Chiefs of Staff recognised that Germany was by far the more dangerous opponent to strategic US interests and you have another reason to put the Pacific on a lower tier.

                  Logistics and the recognition of national interests. They determined US policy not the outcome of any one battle in any one theatre.
                  Last edited by The Purist; 07 Jul 09, 14:00.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Exorcist View Post
                    Not so sure here.
                    Even with everything going wrong, US forces still held out until May. If they had been able to hold the Japanese to North Luzon, they might have held out into the fall.

                    Then what? Would Washington still been able to write them off, or would a Japan First strategy have been feasible?
                    Had MacArthur's forces managed to hold out until the autumn of 1942, after America's victories at Coral Sea and Midway, President Roosevelt would have been under massive, unrelenting pressure by the news media and public opinion to press for some sort of relief effort in the Philippines, no matter what was going on in Europe. To put it bluntly. There were alot of American "boots on the ground" in the PI. There were comparatively few in Europe or North Africa until after "Operation Torch."
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