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    I have noticed over my time of extensive study of WW1 that if it had never happened the world might have been a little bit better. If WW1 never happened then the sadistic Hitler would have been still living on the streets like a bum. Russia wouldn't have become the Soviet Union and we wouldn't of had to endure the cold war. Also the middle east wouldn't have been torn apart and we wouldn't be in the global war on terror we are in right now. It's almost funny how the "War to End All Wars" actually started most of the our problems. (Except Oil)
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    Kid you have no idea how different the world would be if there was no WW1. I guarantee you that there would be many other wars in its place, perhaps even worse ones.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by PMCinc. View Post
      I have noticed over my time of extensive study of WW1 that if it had never happened the world might have been a little bit better. If WW1 never happened then the sadistic Hitler would have been still living on the streets like a bum. Russia wouldn't have become the Soviet Union and we wouldn't of had to endure the cold war. Also the middle east wouldn't have been torn apart and we wouldn't be in the global war on terror we are in right now. It's almost funny how the "War to End All Wars" actually started most of the our problems. (Except Oil)
      Welcome to the forums . Nice thread but the scope is a tad enormous.
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      • #4
        Thank you Nick, Yes I love this forum because here I am allowed to express my views on war and military without people raising an eyebrow.
        And yes it is a bit broad but I am just trying to sum up what would happen. And Destroyer,Europe was actually quite content with itself until the Archduke was killed and,I think, the Germans blamed the Serbs. Which ended with a war, So if the Archduke was never killed europe may have never seen any war in the 20th century (maybe)
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        • #5
          PMCinc, In 1914, Europe was a powder keg. Between the arms race and the nationalistic fervor racing across the continent, everyone was just looking for a reason to go to war and prove that their country was the greatest. Not to mention that neither naval or land warfare had been proven to consist of a series of stalemates with little or slow progress no matter the investment in lives and materiel. In short, everyone was looking for an excuse, and Archduke Ferdinand just happened to be it. But it could have been any number of alternatives as well, or something else would have cropped up by 1916 at least.
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          • #6
            Ouch! you got me TacCovert4, way to go on proving me wrong.
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            • #7
              It's what happens when you spend years posting with these guys. Welcome to the forums, PMCinc, and have fun. You're courteous, insightful, and you can type, so you'll do fine here.
              Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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              • #8
                Thank you Tac,now back to the topic if WW1 never happened then what would of? If Europe was at the boiling point like you said then wouldn't an alternate war break out? Possibly (and hopefully) one on a smaller scale?
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                • #9
                  we are assuming there wud have been no other wars

                  what if no WW1 but 4 independent wars

                  second franco-german war
                  third balkan war
                  turko-arab war
                  second russo-japanese war

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                  • #10
                    I don't see the lack of WW I as being a preventative for the Communist Revolution in Russia. The lack of concern or care for the huge mass of peasants, yes they still existed there, by the ruling class made it ripe for a revolt sooner or later. I can see the movers and shakers of the party being more than willing to step up and be counted there.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by D1J1 View Post
                      I don't see the lack of WW I as being a preventative for the Communist Revolution in Russia. The lack of concern or care for the huge mass of peasants, yes they still existed there, by the ruling class made it ripe for a revolt sooner or later. I can see the movers and shakers of the party being more than willing to step up and be counted there.
                      Or communist/socialist unrest anywhere else for that matter. The economic malaise of the 1920s - 1930s did not result entirely from the Great War. Several long term downward economic trends were in place before 1914. Social unrest was inevitable however large or many the wars fought in that era. The actual course of that unrest would have probablly taken different directions and made different leaders prominent without the Great War. So, yes Hitler might have remained a obscure Vienna painter, or risen to a leadership position in a Germanic oriented political party as the Austrian Hungarian Empire is wracked by Slavic unrest in the 1920s.

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                      • #12
                        I don't know... there are ways around it, but the image of all those crowds dancing in the streets when war was declared makes it seem inevitable.

                        Or maybe not... say the Czar is killed in a train-wreck about 1906, and the Grand Duke takes over. He sends Rasputin back to Siberia and overhauls the whole system, marries off the old Czar's daughters off to cement new alliances with various nations, and manages to head off the coming crisis with his own peasantry.

                        Or...
                        Serbia's submission to Franz Josef's demands cause the Kaiser to cancel mobilization. Von Moltke the younger looses his temper, and his job, that evening and the Crowm Prince panics and opens a diplomatic dialoge with the other powers before those nations can mobilize and out-manuver Germany.

                        Or...
                        Germany ditches the Schlieffen (sic) plan and goes over to the offensive on the Russian Front. After smashing the 1st and 2nd Russian Armies the 3rd-8th German armies seize the Baltic states, white Russia and part of the Ukraine, and make the Czar an offer he literally cannot refuse.
                        Without any attack on Belgium, Britain will not enter the war in time, and France is shocked by both the bloodshed and lack of progress in their attack in the Alsace-Loraine.
                        War over by Christmas, and Serbia even gets to survive.

                        Or....
                        The Communists gain a foothold in a nation much more vulnerable to and appropriate to their methods and ideology; Austria-Hungary. A late-1800s uprising leads to a Union of South-European Socialist states, and from there follows the pattern followed in Historical examples.
                        Shocked by the sudden transformation of that fabulous invalid into a serpent in their midst, European Powers circle the wagons and forget rivalries while they try to find a way to deal with this mess. War averted... or takes a new form entirely.
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                        • #13
                          Could you imagine a Germany/France/Britain axis taking on a newly formed early version of the USSR/Warsaw Pact? Put the Frenchies defending in front, while the Germans and British push the whole rotten mess into a double envelopment on a grand scale? Not to mention that Austria would be seriously full of German guerrillas.
                          Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Exorcist View Post
                            ... War averted... or takes a new form entirely.
                            Takes a different for is my thought. Some historians claim Germany was headed for a budgetary meltdown circa 1916 when tax revenues required to pay for the military would begain collapsing. If this is true then the Reichtag uses the fiscal crisis to undercut the Kaisers control of the military or enact a significant military downsizing. Thus when the 37th Serbian crisis occurs in 1917 Germany is in no position to support Austira & the latter faces Russia alone in the last gasp of the Dual Monarchy. As the AH Empire disintigrates Germany belatedly takes a interest in brother Germans being massacred by Slavic barbarian terroists, France at last has its chance for revanche of Alsace Lorraine.

                            In this case does Britian bother to dity its hands? The German navy is clearly in declaine, shrunken by early retirement of older ships and a castrated building program. Plus the Germany army is clearly to weak to violate Belgium nuetrality.

                            Does a Russian victory over the AH empire revive its flagging national pride, or are the citizens disgusted with that war?

                            so many possiblities....

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
                              Not to mention that Austria would be seriously full of German guerrillas.
                              So would Germany.
                              Socialists and anarchists were largely German at this point. All sorts of awful things could start happening... there and elsewhere.

                              If they had the same predilection for proxy wars that the historic communists had, the Balkans could be in an uproar even sooner than it was. And remember the main accomplishment of that system; massive war making ability.
                              "Why is the Rum gone?"

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