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    did the assasination of the archduke of ferdinand really start the beginning of WWI
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  • #2
    I believe the wheels were already in motion, leading to another regional, or continental conflict. The assassination was the catalyst needed to remove the checks that were keeping the situation from blowing up.
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    • #3
      Yes it started WWI. But with the massive buildup, if the Archduke hadn't been assassinated then some other event would have started it off not much later.
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      • #4
        You can trace back the real cause of WWI to Metternich's Congress of Vienna to divide up Europe after Napoleon. But yes, in effect, the assassination was the action that set it all off (whether something else would have at some point? Yeah, most likely).
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        • #5
          Cause? Isnt that simplistic?

          No one could foresee the rise of nationalism and industrialization.
          Also population growth. I am sorry you would need to be a GOD
          to foresee what was to come.

          Mettrnicht did the best he could.

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          • #6
            The cause of WW1? The catalyst of WW1! Too many treaties, too much military and industrial growth.
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            • #7
              Yes it did start the war, but only because it was the first thing to happen. The Balkins were a powderkeg just waiting for one small spark to detonate the region.
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              • #8
                No, I believe that the Austrians were just spoiling for a fight, or maybe just to subjugate their Serbian subjects, to "show them who's boss", and it accelerated form there, becoming a full-blown war before anybody could put on the brakes. It was inevitable anyway - the European monarchies were being forced to join the 20th Century, to accept that the good old days were at an end, that along with industrialization, the continuing effects of the Age of Enlightenment, the expectation of "the masses" for more representative government" the tide was flowing against absolutism. In their way, the Austrians broke the mold of imperial power and brought about a sea chage in Europe's social and political systems.
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                • #9
                  It was going to happen anyway, so you could argue that it didn't start the fight that way. But the thing that actually started WWI could be boiled down to that shot, wich pushed the whole shebang over the edge.

                  Here's something to consider:

                  The World War(s) began with a shot and ended with a shot.
                  WWI began with Archduke Ferdinands assassination, and World War Two ended with Hitler commiting suicide in his bunker (kinda).

                  So, as WWI and WWII were both just the same war with a 20 year break, do you think this is true?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by daemonofdecay
                    It was going to happen anyway, so you could argue that it didn't start the fight that way. But the thing that actually started WWI could be boiled down to that shot, wich pushed the whole shebang over the edge.

                    Here's something to consider:

                    The World War(s) began with a shot and ended with a shot.
                    WWI began with Archduke Ferdinands assassination, and World War Two ended with Hitler commiting suicide in his bunker (kinda).

                    So, as WWI and WWII were both just the same war with a 20 year break, do you think this is true?
                    As I have stated in earlier forums, the terms dictated to the Germans in the Treaty of Vesailles that ended WW I guaranteed a WW II.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by daemonofdecay
                      It was going to happen anyway, so you could argue that it didn't start the fight that way. But the thing that actually started WWI could be boiled down to that shot, wich pushed the whole shebang over the edge.

                      Here's something to consider:

                      The World War(s) began with a shot and ended with a shot.
                      WWI began with Archduke Ferdinands assassination, and World War Two ended with Hitler commiting suicide in his bunker (kinda).

                      So, as WWI and WWII were both just the same war with a 20 year break, do you think this is true?
                      In sort yes. The German army felt betrayed by the leadership for agreeing to the Armistice of 1918 and then the signature in 1919. Hitler in his early speeches, made allusions to the betrayal and one day it would be time for revenge. Let's not forget either, that until the entry into the war by the US, the Allies were hard pressed. The German Army knew it could not win the war, not that it lost it.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by daemonofdecay
                        So, as WWI and WWII were both just the same war with a 20 year break, do you think this is true?
                        That's one hell of a half-time toilet-break.

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                        • #13
                          Maybe they ran outa toilet paper?

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                          • #14
                            It was the straw that broke the camel's back....but there was a lot of straw already on the poor beast.

                            JS

                            PS - Why isn't this in the WW1 forum?
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                            • #15
                              Too many treaties, too many rivalries, nationalism, totalitarianism. All factors leading up to it. Germany was looking for a war. They thought they could win thanks to their superb victory over the French in the Franco Prussian war of the 1870's. The one shot just happened to set it all off. Cause, probably. You can assume it would have started eventually because it probably would have, but you cannot be for sure.

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