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  • Britain joins the axis

    Now what.

    Ive noticed a slight knocking of the british military (some almost saying we were as weak as a vegans pi$$) in certain quarters having scanned back the alternate histories, well now we are the bad guys, arm in arm with germany, and given findings about certain members of the royal family who knows.

    No BoB, no taranto, no help with the japs, the german and italian surface fleets intact, no escorting supplies to russia, Rommels North Africa corp intact, the Med a no go area for the good guys, etc etc.

    Germany-Britain-italy-Japan

    you can take japan out to knock it back to three mains if it makes the scenario less one sided.

    what now.
    Sealion would have failed..............runs,

  • #2
    France would still collapse,and Stalin...well,lets just say he was going to have a very bad day.
    If the art of war were nothing but the art of avoiding risks,glory would become the prey of mediocre minds. Napoleon

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    • #3
      Did america have an equivelant of pearl harbour on the east coast, they need to come in, a port with plenty of ships for the U-boats and a taranto style attack, im going to assume canada would stick with america (quite rightly)
      Sealion would have failed..............runs,

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      • #4
        I can see a mutiny in the British military and coup in Whitehall if we tried to get into bed with Hitler.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by UGLYGUTS View Post
          Now what.

          Ive noticed a slight knocking of the british military (some almost saying we were as weak as a vegans pi$$) in certain quarters having scanned back the alternate histories, well now we are the bad guys, arm in arm with germany, and given findings about certain members of the royal family who knows.

          No BoB, no taranto, no help with the japs, the german and italian surface fleets intact, no escorting supplies to russia, Rommels North Africa corp intact, the Med a no go area for the good guys, etc etc.

          Germany-Britain-italy-Japan

          you can take japan out to knock it back to three mains if it makes the scenario less one sided.

          what now.
          Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
          I can see a mutiny in the British military and coup in Whitehall if we tried to get into bed with Hitler.
          Agree with Copenhagen.
          However, if there had been a sucessful assassination of Hitler just after the start of Barbarossa, and a peace treaty brought in then? Possibly if the Nazi's agreed to leave N Africa to the Brits? Only way I can see the scenario as feasible, but it is an interesting one.

          Churchill loathed the Communists. Even helped the Finns in 39/40. Much of Lend-lease to the Soviets went through British Persia. The Soviets could have a very bad time of it indeed, if these supplies were stopped. Germany would only be fighting on one front, and could even get US supplies themselves? Germany could gain a new Teutonic Empire and Britain keeps its own? Just don't support Japan.
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          • #6
            The only realistic scenario where Britain might become an ally of Nazi Germany, is if the Soviet Union launches an all-out attack on the Eastern European nations in the early months of 1938 ( before the German's seized the rump of Czecho-slovakia ) and Britain, France and Germany form a grand alliance to come to these nations aid.
            Other than that, its an non-starter.

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            • #7
              It's unlikely, but it would have been the best thing that could have happened for the British.
              Signing out.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by redcoat View Post
                The only realistic scenario where Britain might become an ally of Nazi Germany, is if the Soviet Union launches an all-out attack on the Eastern European nations in the early months of 1938 ( before the German's seized the rump of Czecho-slovakia ) and Britain, France and Germany form a grand alliance to come to these nations aid.
                Other than that, its an non-starter.
                I was ready to laught this one off, but that one has possiblilities....

                Germany was almost as incapable of fending off a full-force attack as the rest of Central Europe in 1938... IF the attack was launched in the warmer months. The Natural avenues of attack would have been south to the Bosphorus (a route they had taken before, all the way to the Dardanels in the 1870s) and of course, that nice flat area south of the Baltic.

                Germany hardly had a single Panzer Corps at the time, and almost no experance at all in it's use. Could France or even Britain have come across with enough troops to stop Stalin before he reaches Berlin? The Ruhr?

                Their record in the 1930s is not encouraging...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Full Monty View Post
                  It's unlikely, but it would have been the best thing that could have happened for the British.
                  Quite possible, in terms of influence. Empire expanding rather then decreasing after 1945. wow.

                  How would this come about? Possibly a cynical public electing Mosley in 1938?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SGT Long View Post
                    Quite possible, in terms of influence. Empire expanding rather then decreasing after 1945. wow.

                    How would this come about? Possibly a cynical public electing Mosley in 1938?
                    Mosley's a dead end, his party didn't have a single MP elected in the 30's.

                    My theory of this scenario is that the Soviet attack comes before Hitler seized the rump of Czechoslovakia, an act which changed Britain's and France's attitude to Hitler.
                    The British and French still wouldn't like the Nazi's, but the fear caused by the Soviet attack would force them into supporting an alliance with Germany(similar to the Western allies alliance with the Soviets during ww2)

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                    • #11
                      Why stop with Britain? Why not the US as well? Hitler proposed just such an alliance early in the war. Could you imagine the state of the world today? With a US/UK/3rd Reich/Italian alliance, the Soviet Union probably could not have wthstood a concentrated front made up of the world's most advanced military/industrial economies. A cold war woould never have ensued and today, we all might be enjoying worldwide economic prosperity instead of trying to gain the advantage on our allies. Just an opinion, but the whole thing might have gone better.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SGT Long View Post
                        Quite possible, in terms of influence. Empire expanding rather then decreasing after 1945. wow.

                        How would this come about? Possibly a cynical public electing Mosley in 1938?
                        A miscalculation by Stalin in 1938 (as envisaged by redcoat) is one possibility but I think there's another. In the aftermath of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and the subsequent joint dismemberment of Poland there were those in Britain and France who sought to prosecute the war against the Soviet Union. Had these hot-heads prevailed it's entirely possible that the Nazis would have seized the opportunity to open negotiations with the British and French, probably claiming that they'd been duped by the Soviets (or some similarly 'creative' tale) into marching into Poland. An agreement to restore full Polish independence once the war was over (as honest as the one Stalin made) may have sweetened the deal enough for the 'crusade against Bolshevism' to begin.

                        I should say that I consider the above unlikely but, if the Germans and Soviets fought each other to a standstill, or even if one gained a pyhrric victory over the other, Britain's position as a world power would be enhanced considerably.
                        Signing out.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jose50 View Post
                          Why stop with Britain? Why not the US as well?
                          That's the last thing we'd need, US involvement in a European war. We still haven't got rid of them from the last one.
                          Signing out.

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                          • #14
                            Why would Britain join the axis? Hitler was against everything the commonwealth stood for. That would be stupid.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sawman0311 View Post
                              Why would Britain join the axis? Hitler was against everything the commonwealth stood for. That would be stupid.
                              Hitler saw Britain's empire as a model for the one he wanted to create. What do you think it stood for and, from there, how was Hitler against it?
                              Signing out.

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