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  • #16
    Originally posted by Full Monty View Post
    It really does depend on the progress of the war doesn't it. If the Germans had managed to create an apparently impregnable fortress around their borders (or worse, if Overlord had failed and the Red Army had bogged down in Eastern Poland) that would have cost potentially hundreds of thousands of Allied soldier's lives to crack then I would expect that the Bomb would have been used. However, once its power had been revealed at the testing ground its use in a tactical role, with Allied soldiers on the ground relatively nearby, would have been unthinkable. Its use at Hiroshima, and then Nagasaki, was purely strategic - intended to shake the Japanese political hierarchy out of its belief that it could still get something out of the war and, in the process, save the lives of thousands of Allied servicemen.

    Nailed it

    FoxNEWS "The World is unfair and we are running scared"

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Lonewulf View Post
      This is interesting for a few reason, had the battle of bulge turned out differently, wasn't it possible that the Allies could have been forced to sign a peace treaty as the bomb wasn't ready yet. I am still not so sure we would have dropped an A-Bomb on European soil no matter what, at least against the Germans at the time anyway.

      Separate peace to include: Liberation of France (Alsace-Lorraine remains in German hands though), Puppet regimes in the Low Countries. Most likely Denmark straight annexed and possibly a puppet government in Norway. The war in the East however continues. Sorry Poland. No Nuke needed on Germany then.

      There are many other thoughts. Had Normandy failed, I doubt we would use a bomb there either as it would not really change the Germans attitude at the time I don't think. Some things to think about.
      Unless the Allies were kicked out of continient Europe regardless of the Germans making the objective in getting Antwerp or not a peace treaty was never even a remote possibility. Even then it would be doubtful.
      FoxNEWS "The World is unfair and we are running scared"

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      • #18
        Originally posted by redcoat View Post
        Its considered impolite to bomb your Allies
        Its a good job winston never got the chance, he read the future perfectly.
        i was just kidding, russia will come good in the end.
        Sealion would have failed..............runs,

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        • #19
          Originally posted by PatBC View Post
          Unless the Allies were kicked out of continient Europe regardless of the Germans making the objective in getting Antwerp or not a peace treaty was never even a remote possibility. Even then it would be doubtful.
          As battles go had the allies lost at the bulge, the German Army would have swept back across France undoing all of the Allied hard work. Peace Treaty after which would have been (plausible).
          If you sacrifice freedom to obtain some security, you deserve neither and will gain none.

          There never was a good war or a bad peace.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Lonewulf View Post
            As battles go had the allies lost at the bulge, the German Army would have swept back across France undoing all of the Allied hard work. Peace Treaty after which would have been (plausible).
            BULL

            Getting to Antwerp and capturing Brussels ( the ultimate objective of Unternehmen Wacht am Rhein) does not mean the 21st British or the 20th US Army group was defeated. Even if the Germans had achieved both those objectives at the most it would have delay the the western allied crossing of the Rhine till at most June (truely I think maybe May). Hitler was is an fantasyland thinking that even taking those objects would have meant anything.
            FoxNEWS "The World is unfair and we are running scared"

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            • #21
              Of course naturally the Allied Air Supremacy was unparalleled and I suppose with a German victory at the Bulge, your right it simply would have delayed the inevitable. Hitler hoped for a separate peace which to the Allies would have been preposterous, however if Hitler had been assassinated, there may have been a chance for peace at that time.
              If you sacrifice freedom to obtain some security, you deserve neither and will gain none.

              There never was a good war or a bad peace.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Lonewulf View Post
                Of course naturally the Allied Air Supremacy was unparalleled and I suppose with a German victory at the Bulge, your right it simply would have delayed the inevitable. Hitler hoped for a separate peace which to the Allies would have been preposterous, however if Hitler had been assassinated, there may have been a chance for peace at that time.
                Only if the Germans were agreed to unconditional surrender
                FoxNEWS "The World is unfair and we are running scared"

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by PatBC View Post
                  Only if the Germans were agreed to unconditional surrender
                  If the Germans were to surrender and not fight, it would not be unconditional, they simply would have continued to fight and drag the war for as long as possible. So an unconditional surrender would have been out.
                  Last edited by Lonewulf; 12 Oct 08, 00:47. Reason: modification
                  If you sacrifice freedom to obtain some security, you deserve neither and will gain none.

                  There never was a good war or a bad peace.

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                  • #24
                    Once the western Allies were ashore in Normandy the only way they would stop their advance on Berlin was an unconditional surrender. The Germans had only two option fight to the end or surrender unconditional. Any German action that was not unconditional surrender would be treated as not giving unconditional surrender so the war would not end until unconditional surrender was given or Germany was conquered.

                    No other result was going to happen.
                    FoxNEWS "The World is unfair and we are running scared"

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Lonewulf View Post
                      As battles go had the allies lost at the bulge, the German Army would have swept back across France undoing all of the Allied hard work. Peace Treaty after which would have been (plausible).
                      If the Germans had won at 'The Bulge' to imagine them 'sweeping back across France' is just 'pie in the sky' because the situation in 44 was very differant to1940 for one thing those pies in the sky would have been the only thing they did have up there for their 'Air Power' no longer existed!!
                      'By Horse by Tram'.


                      I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
                      " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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                      • #26
                        Supply was short too, the tussle could have gone on longer, but once patton set his sights on berlin, by hook or by crook, berlin was never going to escape.
                        Sealion would have failed..............runs,

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by UGLYGUTS View Post
                          in hindsight moscow would have been a good choice.
                          ha i'll second that notion!
                          Sail on Britannia.

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