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    What if Hitler's father encouraged Hitler's dreams when he was young??? We might know Hitler as an artist or a priest (some of his dreams). If his father had supported him more, would the world be a better place. Or was it good that Hitler did what he did, so we could learn from his mistakes?
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    I think its a good idea Hitler became the furher, I mean at least the world survived WW2, who knows what kind of crazy stuff could have happened if hitler hadn't of started world war 2. Maybe the Russians begin to rearm and try to take of the world ending in a giant nuclear war.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Panzer Leader
      I think its a good idea Hitler became the furher, I mean at least the world survived WW2, who knows what kind of crazy stuff could have happened if hitler hadn't of started world war 2. Maybe the Russians begin to rearm and try to take of the world ending in a giant nuclear war.
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      • #4
        Please post your reply now!!!!!
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        • #5
          Hitler & father

          Granting that, Hitler's art instructors indicated that he seem unable to paint subjects - he preferred buildings, statues and the like. In addition, many noted his general broody disposition, some indicating that they felt he had a "dark" disposition, theorizing that he many have some personality defect, and/or that he was anti-social.

          Had his father been more encouraging, Hitlewr certainly would still have clinged to his mother. He idolized her and it truly hurt her. I expect that his father would steered him towards the civil service, may even have secured a position for Hitler, perhaps taking over his father's position.

          What would happened then? It is certainly possible that Hitler would have joined the Austrian (as opposed to actual - Germany) Army at the start of WWI. Only in instance, he fight again one or all of the Russians, Serbs and Italians. What would have become of him? It would be different from fighting in France/Belgium. In my opinion, there would have been an increased chance of being killed or wounded - perhaps several times. What would be the effect of returning to a dissolved Austro-Hungarian Empire? Would he simply return to his civil service position? Or would his burning Germanic pride compel him to action and to what end. Given Hitler's emotional and personality make-up, I believe it to be impossible for Hitler to start anything. To join a work in progress, yes - his ability to move a crowd is legendary, but had he not had a chance meeting with a Nazi party member, there is no assurance that he ever have known of them. Who was would have him? Who would he be attracted to? We know he was virulently anti-Communist, and joining any sort of centrist party would have more than superficial appeal. Only another fascist organiztion would appeal to him. Without him at the helm of the Nazis, would the seizure of the Rheinland, the land grab for the Sudetenland (and later of all of Czechoslovakia), and the Anschluss with Austria still take place? Hitler may have lived out his life as a petty bureaucrat in a rustic of Austria. Without him, Germany may have developed normally. What would the result be of this? As Panzer Leader noted, it have fallen to the Soviets to begin theor expansion until America and the other European nations were compelled to fight them. It is all but certain that America still would acquire bomb first, so any nuclear threat is not likely. There are many directions this could go . . . .
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          • #6
            About 20+ years ago I wrote a paper in college about Hitler, based on a book entitled "A Psycopahic God". I could not begin to remember the details of the paper, but my general recollections of the book are still pretty strong.

            Hogdriver is pretty close to hitting it on the head: without a chance meeting, providing Hitler with an outlet, there is no telling what might have happened in Germany.

            However, I do not believe the Soviet Union would have been any threat to Europe, as a whole. They did have their eyes on Poland, the Baltic States, and the reast of Eastern Europe. I do not think they would have been able to conquer them all. Stalin had purged the officer corps, and didn't trust anyone. It took a long time for those positions to refill with qualified personnel. Without a war to fight, the experiences needed to create those qualified officers, didn't exist.

            I do not believe a serious threat would have come from the Soviets until the mid to late 40s.

            Then again, without the war, and yes we were coming out of the depression anyway, our industrial muscles would not have been flexed early enough to have been able to aid Europe in defense against the Soviets for a few years.
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            • #7
              I do not think Hitler's father could have done anything to have changed Hitler. It was Hitler's personality problems and his experience with WW1 that was the big impact in his life. He was an extreme nationalist fanatic and he took to the soldiers having been stabbed in the back by their own government, socialists, communists and jews. He believed the war was winable if the troops had been allowed to win it without these back stabbers. Of course, it was only military propadaga so as not to face reality that the military simply got defeated. Hitler searched around for political expression to find relieve for his burning anger at these enemies of the German people. The circles he operated in were disgruntled ex-soldiers organized in various groups. He found he like the fascist type groups best and the rest is history.

              You need not have worried about Stalin because he was not an international revolutionary type commie who wanted to conquer the world with hordes of revoluationary armies. That is the hype of the false propagada of western power elites. In fact, Stalin killed the international revolutionary type commies by the thousands and literally killed the russian revolution. Stalin never would have invaded the west and he was too busy turning Russia into one big prison. Remember he changed the nation's policy titled to "socialism in one country". To him and his followers this meant the international communist dream of Lenin and Troksky was dead. He even killed off most of his military elite management level generals as he had no need of them in his plans as the army was to remain home to guard the prison.

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              • #8
                Re: What if Hitler's father was more supportive??

                Originally posted by horatio_nelson
                What if Hitler's father encouraged Hitler's dreams when he was young??? We might know Hitler as an artist or a priest (some of his dreams). If his father had supported him more, would the world be a better place. Or was it good that Hitler did what he did, so we could learn from his mistakes?
                Hitler as a priest, I'm sure that would go over big with the Catholic Church. At least I've never heard him accused of being a pedophile.
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                • #9
                  Pope Adolphus the first....
                  (Hmmm,I hear thunder outside my window? )
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                  • #10
                    How about...what if Hitler's dad used a condom in the first place?

                    Seriously, if it had to happen it had to happen...it was meant to be, I guess. Sad though...
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                    • #11
                      resurrecting this thread...

                      a belgian autor, Eric-Emmanuel Scmitt has written a great great book where Hitler does not fail his art school exam!

                      and of course he goes into art school, gets psychanilisi by Freud who makes him accept his hate for his father, then goes to war, hates the war, then after the central Powers defeat goes to Paris to be part of the surrealis vague, ends up a fairly decent artist, married to the daughter of a Jewish Zionist who ends up sad because there is no way to make Israel happen. hitler dies in Los Angeles in 1970, after a resurgent, democratic Germany lands the first man on the moon and Soviet union collapses in the 1950's... a great story!
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                      • #12
                        Well, maybe it is not extraordinary men that create extraordinary times, but rather the opposite. So, if there had been no Hitler, there might have been a Herr Durchschnitt. Maybe he would have been more or less the same. What would a WW1 defeat of England and France have created? Does anyone care about how Mitterand and Thatcher acted about a German reunification as late as in 1989 when the wall had already fallen down? You're greatly oversimplifying things with the-failings-of-Hitler's father-syndrome.
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                        • #13
                          Had Hitler went in a different direction would the Nazi party ever gotten off the ground? lets say that they didn't and they could not gain the support of the masses without the impressive charisma of Hitler. Although the economy was still in a ruined state and the people in Germany were in unrest, (it was a very long depression), and most people would have remained disgruntal as a consequence of prolonged unemployment. Naturally, antisemitic attitudes would have continued to persists though it is highly unlikely that these attitudes would have lead to atrocious acts.

                          The German officier corps was fairly intact and with the Weimar Republic being allowed to partially rebuild the forces; these lads would have been kept busy. The advant garde movement was very strong, the cabarets, expressionalists, writers, and scientists would have been allowed to developed to their full potential without the interference of the Nazis who remained as an unpopular party due to the thugs that it attracted.

                          I suppose Germany would have evolved into a more moderate nation that would have nurtured some of the most enlightened thinkers of the 20th century. It probably would have became the envy of the Western world. It is unclear what would have happened in the 40s without the war as the depression turned recession would have made the economy sluggish at best. No doubt there would have been some major reforms in the way stocks and commodities are traded avoiding the repeat of Black Monday. On the other hand the Japanese will continue to be highly aggressive, and I recalled that Germany was appalled by their actions in the Rape of Nanjiang due to extreme barbarity of the Japanese troops on the civilian population. I suppose Germany would have became a major player in the League of Nations and have likely pushed for containment of Japanese aggression.

                          Would Germany have participated in the Spanish Civil war? Highly doubtful as the facist interest were not in line with the more moderate German government. I suppose Mussolini's Italy would have been a curiosity at first but his emerging aggressive stance on expansionism in Africa would have been meet with a great deal of disapproval from Germany through the League of Nations. Perhaps the League of Nations would have been more credible with Germany, England and the US as key players.

                          What of the Soviets? Granted they possess one of the largest countries in the world and their military though enormous as it is was challenged to control her territories. Aggression? This was certainly possible with a change of administration, though I suspect that a more moderate leadership succession would have made Soviet aggression even less likely thanks in large part to Stalin's efficient purges. The possibility that the Japanese will fight Americans in Pacific war was inevitable. Though I suspect that they will not likely attack on the same date making the likelihood of the Peal Harbor raid resulting in more drastic results against the Americans who will no doubt lose at least a carrier or two. The war will likely be fought with the same or greater intensity as there is no ETO to split the American effort.

                          Wouldl the Jews ever create the nation of Israel? Not likely as they will not have been persecuted to the extent the Nazis did during the war, it is more likely that this ethnic group will help Germany among others to advanced their culture in the arts and sciences. Why should there been a need to create the Israeli state?

                          In any case, the American development of the Atomic bomb would have been delayed as most the Jewish scientist that fled Germany would not have done so. In fact, Germany would have likely developed the bomb first but, this would have been more of an academic exercise and byproduct on the path to develop cheaper forms of energy through nuclear power plants. Germany like most central powers had serious issues with energy self sufficiency as their reliance to coal and Rumanian oil has demonstrated during WW2.

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