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    What would have happened if the Soviets had not stopped afer defeating Germany? I am not asking what the world would be like now, just the military aspect of it, who would have won if Stalin made a break for the Channel coast, would he have succeeded?. Would it have been feasible for the Allies to have attacked instead, would we have reached Moscow?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by crazydod View Post
    What would have happened if the Soviets had not stopped afer defeating Germany? I am not asking what the world would be like now, just the military aspect of it, who would have won if Stalin made a break for the Channel coast, would he have succeeded?. Would it have been feasible for the Allies to have attacked instead, would we have reached Moscow?
    I do not think that they were in any fit state to do what you have suggested but if they had tried I think the western World would have stopped them VERY abruptly!!
    'By Horse by Tram'.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
      I do not think that they were in any fit state to do what you have suggested but if they had tried I think the western World would have stopped them VERY abruptly!!
      They really weren't in any fit state to continue. Their logistics were stretched very thin, the men were exhausted, their equipment in dire need of maintenance. The Western Allies were much better supplied and the US armed forces still pretty fresh. Had they paused, gone through the process of resupply and re-equipment, paid lip-service to the peace agreement and then attacked in July or August 1945 it might have been a different story. But that's a scenario we've debated several times on this section.

      http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...ad.php?t=60140

      http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...ad.php?t=53198

      For example
      Signing out.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Full Monty View Post
        They really weren't in any fit state to continue. Their logistics were stretched very thin, the men were exhausted, their equipment in dire need of maintenance. The Western Allies were much better supplied and the US armed forces still pretty fresh. Had they paused, gone through the process of resupply and re-equipment, paid lip-service to the peace agreement and then attacked in July or August 1945 it might have been a different story. But that's a scenario we've debated several times on this section.

        http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...ad.php?t=60140

        http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...ad.php?t=53198

        For example
        Good God I have found some one that agrees with me!!!
        'By Horse by Tram'.


        I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
        " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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        • #5
          I feel that the USSR would of lost due to the fact that they were in need of rest after years of fighting with lots of dead

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          • #6
            I think after the main U.S. force de-mobilized the russians would have a shot at taking over europe a la red alert 1 style(minus Kane). Historically, the russians have amazing staying power and stamina in a war. I think they could rip right through the brits ground forces though they would run into serious problems with the allied air force

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            • #7
              Nothing much would have happened, as others have already said.

              If the Russians had been fighting the Germans for 1 year instead of 4, then it would have been a different story, but I'll stick to the thread.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ace_General View Post
                I think they could rip right through the brits ground forces
                How? Oh, Monty would be playing the old 'Cannae' trick on them? Yes very good!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
                  I do not think that they were in any fit state to do what you have suggested but if they had tried I think the western World would have stopped them VERY abruptly!!
                  Yes I agree, the western air forces were quite capable of dropping 10 kilotons of bombs every day!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ace_General View Post
                    I think after the main U.S. force de-mobilized the russians would have a shot at taking over europe a la red alert 1 style(minus Kane). Historically, the russians have amazing staying power and stamina in a war. I think they could rip right through the brits ground forces though they would run into serious problems with the allied air force
                    It all comes down to timing and whether the Soviets could deceive the Western Allies as to their true intentions. If the US demobbed and/or transferred the bulk of their forces out of Western Europe the Red Army could be at the Channel Coast before anyone could do anything about it. With powerful US forces to contend with, even if the Red Army had rested and re-equipped, the campaign would have been a hard one for both sides.
                    Signing out.

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                    • #11
                      Seems like there would have been a tremendous psychological shock for both the army of the USSR and the those of the West. Imagine the impact on veterans who thought they had survived "their" war only to immediately engage an army more capable than that they had just defeated. Who would have had the advantage in that respect?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Full Monty View Post
                        They really weren't in any fit state to continue. Their logistics were stretched very thin, the men were exhausted, their equipment in dire need of maintenance. The Western Allies were much better supplied and the US armed forces still pretty fresh. Had they paused, gone through the process of resupply and re-equipment, paid lip-service to the peace agreement and then attacked in July or August 1945 it might have been a different story. But that's a scenario we've debated several times on this section.

                        http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...ad.php?t=60140

                        http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...ad.php?t=53198

                        For example
                        Here's a link you've posted before.

                        http://www.history.neu.edu/PRO2/

                        Also one by johnbryan

                        http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/church.htm

                        Re Operation Unthinkable.

                        Also by Gooner

                        Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                        There was plenty of contact between the senior Honchos of both sides



                        'Marshall Zhukov decorates Field Marshall Montgomery with the Russian Order of Victory. Allied chiefs who attended the cermony at Gen. Eisenhower's Headquarters at Frankfurt are about to drink a toast. June 10, 1945.'


                        It's impossible to believe the Soviets could be that chummy whilst preparing to start a new war.
                        I'm going to go with what seemed to be the most popular opinion, in that the Soviets would first have a good go of it, but the west would eventually gain the upper hand.
                        Last edited by Nick the Noodle; 25 Sep 08, 08:29.
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                        • #13
                          One thing is for sure, it would have been Patton's dream.
                          If you sacrifice freedom to obtain some security, you deserve neither and will gain none.

                          There never was a good war or a bad peace.

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                          • #14
                            He would yell the worlds largest told-ya-so

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                            • #15
                              It would have done eastern europe a huge favour.
                              Sealion would have failed..............runs,

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