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    I was watching "Hitler: Rise of Evil" last night and I started thinking. Would it have been better if Hitler actually succeeded in the '23 Beer Hall Putsch?
    My argument goes like this:
    In 1923 Hitler wasn't really the influential politician he later became, he was more of an anooying, albeit important, demagouge. He really didn't have that many supporters throughout Germany as a whole and his plan was basically to try to take power before anyone knew what happened.
    Thus, if he had managed to take power in '23 he wouldn't have had the popular support that later on gave him access to power through democracy and therefor people would be more likely to object. By '33 he had ten more years of experience, ten more years to gather followers and ten more years to influence the rest of the country (and the world) and ten more years to come out as a proper democraticly elected leader.
    Also, by that time he still hadn't gotten rid of Röhm and the other openly homosexual and socialist members of teh party and the SA.
    Therefor, had he taken power in '23 he might be able to become the de facto leader of Germany but the overwhelming opposition and the struggle inside the Nazi party itself might have overthrown him a few years later. That, and also that Chamberlain and the rest of Europe would probably not be as keen to discuss "peace in our time" with a revolutionary usurper.

    I'm sorry if this topic has been raised before, I did a search but couldn't find anything.

    Cheers!

    PS. I hope I don't have to put in a disclaimer stating I'm not a nazi or other such obvious facts? I have the impression that this is a forum where you can discuss these matters without having to openly state that you loath the horrible little Austrian, which I do anyway.

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    Originally posted by Wrede View Post
    I was watching "Hitler: Rise of Evil" last night and I started thinking. Would it have been better if Hitler actually succeeded in the '23 Beer Hall Putsch?
    My argument goes like this:
    In 1923 Hitler wasn't really the influential politician he later became, he was more of an anooying, albeit important, demagouge. He really didn't have that many supporters throughout Germany as a whole and his plan was basically to try to take power before anyone knew what happened.
    Thus, if he had managed to take power in '23 he wouldn't have had the popular support that later on gave him access to power through democracy and therefor people would be more likely to object. By '33 he had ten more years of experience, ten more years to gather followers and ten more years to influence the rest of the country (and the world) and ten more years to come out as a proper democraticly elected leader.
    Also, by that time he still hadn't gotten rid of Röhm and the other openly homosexual and socialist members of teh party and the SA.
    Therefor, had he taken power in '23 he might be able to become the de facto leader of Germany but the overwhelming opposition and the struggle inside the Nazi party itself might have overthrown him a few years later. That, and also that Chamberlain and the rest of Europe would probably not be as keen to discuss "peace in our time" with a revolutionary usurper.

    I'm sorry if this topic has been raised before, I did a search but couldn't find anything.

    Cheers!

    PS. I hope I don't have to put in a disclaimer stating I'm not a nazi or other such obvious facts? I have the impression that this is a forum where you can discuss these matters without having to openly state that you loath the horrible little Austrian, which I do anyway.
    You know you could have some thing there mate! regarding your last remark, it's no good trying to hide it, we all know you are Adolfs iligitimate great grandson!!
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Wrede View Post
      I was watching "Hitler: Rise of Evil" last night and I started thinking. Would it have been better if Hitler actually succeeded in the '23 Beer Hall Putsch?
      My argument goes like this:
      In 1923 Hitler wasn't really the influential politician he later became, he was more of an anooying, albeit important, demagouge. He really didn't have that many supporters throughout Germany as a whole and his plan was basically to try to take power before anyone knew what happened.
      Thus, if he had managed to take power in '23 he wouldn't have had the popular support that later on gave him access to power through democracy and therefor people would be more likely to object. By '33 he had ten more years of experience, ten more years to gather followers and ten more years to influence the rest of the country (and the world) and ten more years to come out as a proper democraticly elected leader.
      Also, by that time he still hadn't gotten rid of Röhm and the other openly homosexual and socialist members of teh party and the SA.
      Therefor, had he taken power in '23 he might be able to become the de facto leader of Germany but the overwhelming opposition and the struggle inside the Nazi party itself might have overthrown him a few years later. That, and also that Chamberlain and the rest of Europe would probably not be as keen to discuss "peace in our time" with a revolutionary usurper.

      I'm sorry if this topic has been raised before, I did a search but couldn't find anything.

      Cheers!

      PS. I hope I don't have to put in a disclaimer stating I'm not a nazi or other such obvious facts? I have the impression that this is a forum where you can discuss these matters without having to openly state that you loath the horrible little Austrian, which I do anyway.
      i dont mean to be pedantic but im sure the putsch was aimed at taking over bavaria only ... and at the time the french were more than willing to give the germans a "slap" if they didnt like their tone and i think they would have invaded bavaria and deposed him if he started mouthing off about versailes etc once fuhrer of bavaria

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