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    How different would things be if Berlin in April of 1945 fell to American forces rather than Russians?

    What are your thoughts???

    Cheers,

    Steve

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    Berlin would be a free city today and there would be no DDR.

    HP
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    • #3
      I suspect that the Allies would have honoured their agreement with teh Russians so history would have been much the same.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by peteratwar View Post
        I suspect that the Allies would have honoured their agreement with teh Russians so history would have been much the same.
        Not necessarily. There was a major disagreement between the Anglo Americans and the Russians over the issue of free elections in Poland that had earlier been agreed upon by all the powers at Yalta. The Russians later renegged on the deal and the Iron Curtain fell upon Eastern Europe. Had the Americans held Berlin, they may have decided to hang onto it and not give it over to the Russians.
        Last edited by johnbryan; 21 Jul 08, 15:42.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by steve4eld View Post
          How different would things be if Berlin in April of 1945 fell to American forces rather than Russians?

          What are your thoughts???

          Cheers,

          Steve
          A little less Soviet oppression and murder in Central Europe, for certain.

          It would lead to more tense relations between the Allies and the Soviets right after WWII.
          The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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          • #6
            It would not have been Patton, but Simpson's 9th Army

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
              A little less Soviet oppression and murder in Central Europe, for certain.

              It would lead to more tense relations between the Allies and the Soviets right after WWII.
              More intense than the Berlin Blockade More intense than the Berlin uprising of 53?
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Aber View Post
                It would not have been Patton, but Simpson's 9th Army
                Excellent point! IIRC, Patton's 3rd Army was already deep into Czecholslovakia by the time of VE Day.
                "Profanity is but a linguistic crutch for illiterate motherbleepers"

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                • #9
                  I have to agree...

                  Originally posted by Aber View Post
                  It would not have been Patton, but Simpson's 9th Army
                  Patton would have been immediately (and summarily) sacked if he unilaterally turned 3rd US Army north. He had acquired more than a few enemies within the Chain of Command at SHAEF by this point in his career.

                  Cheers, Ron
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                  • #10
                    Note the Russians DID honour their part of the agrrement allowing the Western Allies into Berlin

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by peteratwar View Post
                      Note the Russians DID honour their part of the agrrement (sic) allowing the Western Allies into Berlin
                      ...yeah, it's just too bad that they broke just about every other agreement that they'd signed off on at the Yalta and Potsdam conferences...

                      Cheers, Ron
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                      • #12
                        The Russians also withdrew from Austria aswell.

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                          After Austria declared itself neutral.

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                          • #14
                            Indeed. The red army could have stayed put though.

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                            • #15
                              I guess it would depend on how much east the frontlines were otherwise. There would have been tremendous impact if the Alllies and Soviets met in Poland or better yet in Ukraine/Belarus, but if its still within Germany I see no major difference. Perhaps the Germans defending Berlin would not have been as desperate and would have been more eager to surrender. In the end many German units were still fighting just to escape west to surrender to Allies.

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