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  • Byzantines win at Manzikert

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...nzikert#Battle

    In this scenario rather than the Byzantine army being destroyed and the Emperor being captured, the Byzantines win, capture the Turkish sultan and destroy the Turkish army. Reversal of the actual result. Also necessarily assumes that Romanos was a much more skilled and charismatic general than he was in real life.

    A Byzantine victory could -

    1. Mean no Crusades.
    2. Significantly delay the decline of the Empire.
    3. Lead to further reconquest in Syria. The Byzantines had intermittently held parts of Syria in the centuries since the Arab conquests and this was a long term objective.
    "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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    It was not really Manzikert that hurt Roman empire. It was civil war that followed Manzikert which crippled empire. After last heir of Macedonian dynasty died there was not ruler who had enough legitimacy to provide stable leadership. If only Basil II or his brother had provided Empire with male heir.

    If Romanus had won at Manzikert that might have provided him enough prestige to establish new dynasty. But it was his lack of prestige and legitimacy which lost him Manzikert. Since it was his rivals betrayal which made Manzikert disaster.

    In short term victory at Manzikert would mean slow decline which started after Basil II's death would continue. To reverse course Romanus would have to deal with his rivals and re-establish control of central government. It is unlikely that victory at Manzikert would give him enough power to accomplish this. But it would buy him time establish himself as a ruler of Roman empire.
    "Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery"
    Robert G. Ingersoll 1833-1899

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    • #3
      Best case at Manzikert would be to throw his rivals into the fight directly and immediately. Either they get disgraced or they get killed, either way they're less of a threat.

      That and the battle seems lost in the days before the battle. There's a lot of things Romanus needed to do right........
      Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
        Best case at Manzikert would be to throw his rivals into the fight directly and immediately. Either they get disgraced or they get killed, either way they're less of a threat.

        That and the battle seems lost in the days before the battle. There's a lot of things Romanus needed to do right........
        Half his army disappeared a few days before the battle and no one is sure what happened to it. Turks say they wiped them out but the commander turns up later alive and well. Possibly deserted rather than anhilated. Perhaps if R had kept his troops concentrated he would have had enough to beat the Turks and they would have been less likely to desert.
        "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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        • #5
          Andronikos Doukas commanding rearguard deserted during battle leaving Romanos without support while he was retreating. He also spread rumours that Emperor had died. His actions turned orderly retreat into rout.
          "Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery"
          Robert G. Ingersoll 1833-1899

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