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  • June 1940:The Reich discovers the Groningen - does it change the war?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groningen_gas_field
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    https://www.mountainviewtoday.ca/old...g-site-1817203

    Parkland was a gasoline form Stripped gas liquids refinery for decades, now mothballed .
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    • #3
      According to your link it is a natural gas field. The Germans needed oil surely?
      "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Surrey View Post

        According to your link it is a natural gas field. The Germans needed oil surely?
        Natural Gas liquids are an ideal feedstock for both fuels and lubricants, being sulphur strippable. NG can be used for transportation, for producing nitrates, and for heat.

        It is a much more usable source than coal gasification. Beats wood, too...
        Last edited by marktwain; 23 Jan 20, 17:40.
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        • #5
          I don't think it would change much as it would take years to make the wells operational. Says in Wiki it was discovered in 1959, and was operational in 1963.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Karri View Post
            I don't think it would change much as it would take years to make the wells operational. Says in Wiki it was discovered in 1959, and was operational in 1963.
            In Wartime they would have hammered in by June by Jews...
            Teh Canol field wells were drilled fast- the pipeline- well:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canol_pipeline


            "Putting the Canadians in charge of a mega project without astute British Supervision does more harm to the war effort than a heavy German bombing raid....!
            Winnie 1943

            Ouch.....

            a quick guide to gas stripping and NG uses:
            ​​​​​​​http://www.gazprominfo.com/terms/topping-gas/
            Last edited by marktwain; 23 Jan 20, 20:02.
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            • #7
              The Nazis would have screwed it up. They captured a lot of oil and gas fields in Europe and they ran them into the ground.

              Pruitt
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              • #8
                Originally posted by marktwain View Post
                ...does it change the war ?
                Not in itself.

                Only if the discovery somehow causes them to decide not to invade Russia a year later, or forces Britain to seek peace before that time, imho.

                Neither is very likely.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                  Not in itself.

                  Only if the discovery somehow causes them to decide not to invade Russia a year later, or forces Britain to seek peace before that time, imho.

                  Neither is very likely.
                  It is an interesting thought- could fuel from the Groningen deposit have delayed the invasion for a year, or more, allowing for better planning ? Germany had the refineries- how quickly could they convert to NG as a feedstock?


                  the Groningen is a huge deposit- a quarter of the EU's gas reserve is in it, still, after sixty years.
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                  • #10
                    The big problem would be for Germany to actually get the infrastructure in place to do production. That would take years to accomplish on any useful scale, so I doubt it would make a difference.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      The big problem would be for Germany to actually get the infrastructure in place to do production. That would take years to accomplish on any useful scale, so I doubt it would make a difference.
                      https://www.technologyreview.com/s/4...s-to-gasoline/
                      The question has been RAISED ABOUT WHETHER GERMANY COULD DRILL TO THE 9,600 FOOT LEVEL IN 1940.
                      Many Catalysts would also have been non existent, I believe....along with new processes.
                      Methanol production would have greatly aided german transport. that could ahve been done rapidly, close to the gas field- unless the RAF took exception....
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                      • #12
                        Years ago, I read an article about oil exploration by the Germans during WW 2 written by one of the members of the team doing it. The whole of his team was like 12 people with three vehicles. They went around Europe and into Russia looking for oil and gas deposits. It was in a trade magazine on the field of seismology and such. (No, I have no idea how to find it now...)

                        Anyway, the problem for the Germans is just that. Their exploration and exploitation of oil fields is rather limited, as one might expect given the paucity of these in Germany itself and their lack of an international oil company like BP, Royal Dutch Shell, or Texaco to name three of the big ones at the time. They simply don't have the infrastructure to exploit new oil fields. They really didn't have the infrastructure to even exploit captured ones fully.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          Years ago, I read an article about oil exploration by the Germans during WW 2 written by one of the members of the team doing it. The whole of his team was like 12 people with three vehicles. They went around Europe and into Russia looking for oil and gas deposits. It was in a trade magazine on the field of seismology and such. (No, I have no idea how to find it now...)

                          Anyway, the problem for the Germans is just that. Their exploration and exploitation of oil fields is rather limited, as one might expect given the paucity of these in Germany itself and their lack of an international oil company like BP, Royal Dutch Shell, or Texaco to name three of the big ones at the time. They simply don't have the infrastructure to exploit new oil fields. They really didn't have the infrastructure to even exploit captured ones fully.
                          Good Point! Herman Goring, the NASDAP all around renaissance man, had a cadre of crackpot geologists who convinced him that a vast pool of oil interconnected the scattered oil fields of Poland. IIRC, Goring proclaimed that 'where a Pole found a barrel off oil, Germans would find one thousand....'
                          Goring was the main push for an early invasion of Poland. The german Army wanted to wait until the mid 1940's...
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pruitt View Post

                            The Nazis would have screwed it up. They captured a lot of oil and gas fields in Europe and they ran them into the ground.

                            Pruitt
                            All too likely,.
                            For some reason taht I could not understand, Germany seems to have neglected rotary deep drilling as a science.
                            So the questions boil down to:
                            1. could they have detected the Groningen- which is right on the doorstep.
                            2. Did they have the tools and skills to reach it at 9,600 feet down?by the early 1950's the United states was routinely drilling. in water, 12,000 ft deep wells.
                            Leduc 1 and two, in 1947, spudded in at 5,400 feet deep.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leduc_No._1
                            By 1936, the deepest canadian well was close to 7,000 feet, and the Hughes tool co. tricone had hit 10,000 ft.

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                            • #15
                              The Italians tried drilling for oil in Libya but they could not drill deep enough. It is Karma that they failed.

                              Pruitt
                              Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                              Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                              by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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